Andy Smith 00:00 
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Welcome back to the PEMF podcast. Today, we're joined by Dr. Roseann, leading expert in nervous system regulation. With more than 30 years experience, she's helped thousands of children's families navigate challenges such as ADHD, autism, anxiety, OCD, and emotional dysregulation. She's also been using PEMF therapy in her clinic for over a decade as part of her integrative approach. Dr. Roseann, welcome to the podcast.

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 00:43 
Well, I'm so excited to be here and talk about all things PEMF and nervous system regulation and dysregulation.

Andy Smith 00:50 
We look forward to it. So today we're going to be exploring why regulating the nervous system is a foundation for improving behaviour, mood and well being and how PEMF fits into that picture. And what the science tells us about supporting children and adults with conditions like ADHD, autism, anxiety and many more. So just to kick off, we usually start with a quick fire round. So we'll ask you a couple of questions, a couple of word answers. And then we'll take a deeper dive in later on the episode. Okay, so one word to describe children's mental health today?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:24 
Dysregulated.

Andy Smith 01:25 
What's the biggest misconception people have about ADHD, autism and anxiety?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:31 
That symptoms can't improve.

Andy Smith 01:33 
Behaviour or nervous system, which should parents focus on first?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:38 
Of course, nervous system.

Andy Smith 01:39 
Fight or flight or rest and digest, which state do you think most children spend too much time in today?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:46 
Fight or flight.

Andy Smith 01:47 
What's the first thing that usually improves when a child's nervous system starts to regulate?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:52 
Flexibility.

Andy Smith 01:53 
What's one word parents most commonly use to describe the children after a PEMF session? Comer. If you could only combine PEMF with one other therapy, what would it be?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 02:04 
Somatic therapy.

Andy Smith 02:05 
And finish this sentence a regulator child is...

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 02:09 
A more loving and connected kid.

Andy Smith 02:13 
Good. Okay. So onto the the other questions. You've worked with children and families for over 30 years, as I mentioned in the bio. You know, what changes have you seen in children's mental health during that time?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 02:26 
Yeah, I mean, I really have been working for over 30 years and people will say to me, you know, we see a lot more diagnoses of mental health. So over that 30 years, you know, autism has just skyrocketed. Clinical diagnoses are the highest levels we've ever seen with kids. And it's not because of better diagnostics. It's really because people are facing chronic stress. So the biggest thing that I've seen that's actually fueling clinical diagnoses, like anxiety, depression, OCD, is chronic stress. And not just in kids, it's pervasive in families and parents are struggling with it themselves too.  

Andy Smith 03:11 
And we hear the term nervous system dysregulation more and more these days that comes up in the industry in the health. No but from your aspect what does that actually mean?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 03:23 
Yeah, I mean, I love that everybody's talking about it. I think it's so great that we're, you know, it's becoming, you know, part of our everyday words. I mean, I don't think you can go anywhere and not hear the word nervous system or dysregulation, but at a really simple way to understand it, it's, you know, we can talk about the ANS autonomic nervous system, what I will, but it's really having difficulty shifting between stress and calm. The nervous system gets stuck in that stress state. So when we talk about our autonomic nervous system, ANS, it's our system that manages everyday stress. And it's supposed to help us when we face real stressors, like, oh my gosh, there's the bus and I'm late to get the bus and your quarters all jacks up and you run to the bus. That's a healthy stress response, right? And then your nervous system, it goes to a sympathetic dominant, that's stress response. Then it goes back down to relaxed, parasympathetic stress state. The problem is as our, I talk about the nervous system as a stress cup and you'll hear me refer to it the entire time. And so we have a cup and a cup does not have infinite capacity. When it gets full, it overflows. And so what's happening is our cups in life are being full, getting too full and we're not using tools like EMF, all these other things, but hopefully we'll dive into that to remove stress. But that's really, what's happening is, and then people can't shift from a calm, parasympathetic state to a stress sympathetic dominant state. They're having a hard time shifting back into the calm. That's what dysregulation is.

Andy Smith 05:07 
Okay, and you've worked with, you know, children a lot during this time and, you know, looking specifically at children and for the parents out there. Yeah. What, what are some of the most common signs that tell you a child's nervous system is struggling?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 05:20 
Yeah, so I'm very different than other practitioners in the sense that I talk about the nervous system showing signs of not just overstimulation, and we'll talk about that, but I talk about understimulation, signs that it's stuck in a lower mode that looks like ADHD, focus problems, difficulty processing, some levels of anxiety where overstimulation, difficulty getting to sleep, anger, irritation, these are all signs that a nervous system is having a hard time. And yes, they overlap with clinical conditions. We're not saying people don't have clinical conditions, but chronic stress and those signs really are clues that the nervous system is having a hard time. Our model across the world, but very much in United States, is here's the problem, here's a pill for it. And that's because in how we diagnose people, something called a diagnostic and statistical manual, and it very much overlaps with medication. So, and people have a sense that they believe because they've been taught that's the answer. I'm not saying there's never a place for medication, but what I always say with a developing brain is we never should medicate first. We should be doing other interventions, including empowering parents and individuals to learn how to reset their nervous system and use other tools because there's so many other tools available and they're just not being educated about it by the people they're asking, which is often therapists, families and friends, and medical providers, right? So, in America, only recently, is a medical doctor even taught nutrition in their training. They have no training in nutrition, and then people go and ask nutrition questions to their doctors who don't have training for that. So, and they're great people. They just got a lot on their plate, and they're not understanding the impact of stress. They see their people stressed and they wanna give them relief, and this is what they've been trained to give them. So, part of this is about opening the conversation, not just for the individual, but for the providers to give more support.

Andy Smith 07:48 
Yeah okay and we're doing the research for this episode one thing you say quite often is that behaviour is a symptom rather than the problem which which you know i love that term but can you explain to the audience what you mean by that?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 08:02 
Yeah, so, you know, listen, when we're parents or we're dealing with a partner or a colleague and we have behaviours, right, somebody's angry, somebody's snarky, somebody's so depressed they can't get up, right? We see the behaviours. And the behaviours are really just a reflection of the state of the nervous system. And when we start to look at behaviours, oh, okay, what is the nervous system trying to tell us? Instead of, oh my God, George, he is like not doing his homework again. You know, it gives us a different reframe that number one, I have a model called COMS, C-A-L-M-S, and the A is avoiding personalizing. And avoiding personalizing another person's behaviour, particularly your kids, isn't so easy, right? Because we're like, it's so irritated. I already asked him to do his homework 10 times, you know. This week or today. And so when we see behaviour through the lens of the nervous system, like, oh, okay, that's, all right, he must be tired. And what are some things that can help him because he's tired instead of, oh, he got snarky with me. We start to be able to improve behaviours and also reduce friction with other people. And there's so many benefits from it and both sides don't get irritated. And guess what? The nervous system is much more likely to get what it needs. And only when the nervous system gets what it needs, which is calming and regulation, can you think, can you have attention, can you actually do the action that maybe you're being requested of or you're trying to do for yourself, right?

Andy Smith 09:49 
And we hear the term fight or flight all the time. It's another term that's bouncing around quite a lot. And a lot of people will kind of understand what that means, but what actually is happening inside the child's brain when they enter this state?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 10:03 
Yeah, so, you know, if we talked about the ANS, right? So when the brain goes into a sympathetic dominant state, right, so it gets, you get activated, right? So we use the example of trying to grab, get to the bus. And so you're trying to get to the bus, you see it, you're running, and all these physiological responses start to happen in your body. Your cortisol rises, your heart rate goes up, you start sweating, you know, maybe you're mad and you're like swearing, right? And so you go into, only certain physiological responses are possible when you go into a sympathetic dominant. It's actually fight, flight, freeze, or fawn. So once you're in the highest level of activation, and I'm giving you a real world example, but many people live there and we'll talk about that. So you go into this high level of activation, what happens is your frontal lobes go offline. Your frontal lobes is your thinking brain. It helps you do everything. It helps talks to every part of your brain. It manages all the different actions you're supposed to be doing. So once you're in fight or flight, you are just acting without thinking. And this is the problem because what's happening is people are going into fight or flight without missing the bus or some, you know, robber breaks into your house or you're about to go into birth. Like all these major things, what's happening is people are going into fight or flight because I don't know, the light is too strong. They have a sensory experience. There's a noise. Their boss asked them to, you know, if they've met their deadline because their cup is too full. And so we are moving to a very activated society, not just kids, parents, individuals without kids. And I think people feel it and see it, right? Out in the world, you see a lot more aggressive talk. You see a lot more anger. You also see, since the pandemic, the other side, the side of the nervous system that slows down where people are shutting off other people too. So, and that really boils down to, there's a lot of factors, but it's really the nervous system telling us this is how we're responding to stress.

Andy Smith 12:40 
And why do you think that regulation has to come before trying to change behaviour?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 12:47 
Yeah, I mean, it's just simple biology, right? So if you're, we're always focusing on the outcomes, right? This is the behaviour I want. So, you know, why can't Johnny pay attention during this lecture, right? He's in school, he's sitting there, he can't pay attention. What is it about that environment? Of course we're gonna look at that. Maybe he's sitting next to a kid who makes noises the entire time. Maybe he's very sensitive to mold or cleaning products. And he's sitting in that classroom and he's being, his system is being affected by it. But what happened during the hours, days, and weeks that filled up his stress cup? And so when we, you know, when we are asked to do anything, our nervous system has to be regulated enough to start or complete a task, have a conversation, you know, all the things we do in our daily life. If it's not, what happens is you go into a sympathetic dominant state, your frontal lobes go offline, and you're physiologically not prepared to connect, to learn or do any of those things. Your body is literally either gonna completely stop it from happening or you're not gonna be able to do it well. And there's a whole other thing, bunch of things your body can't, won't let you do in a stress state either, including heal itself. So, which is, we'll talk about my story to PEMF, which is part of why I got to PEMF. But we have to start with biology. behaviour follows, learning follows, connection follows, and we regulate first.

Andy Smith 14:25 
And I'm just going to focus this next section on ADHD, autism, and anxiety, because, you know, it's something that affects many, many families at the moment. So, you know, from your perspective, is there something that links conditions like ADHD, autism, anxiety, and OCD, you know, from a nervous system perspective?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 14:45 
Well, I think there's a lot of things, you know, your listeners don't know yet that I've done a boatload of brain maps I stopped counting after 10,000 years ago. But there are a lot of things that link all these conditions, right? So certainly, I can physiologically see, but we don't even need to see it, we can listen, and we can look for the breadcrumbs, which are those behaviours that an activated nervous system is in a dysregulated nervous system, signs of over and under stimulation are a thread in that. The other thread in these conditions is neuro inflammation, too. And neuro inflammation and dysregulation of the nervous system are intertwined. But when we look at brain maps of, you know, kids with ADHD, autism, anxiety, all of these things, and then all the conditions that go with it, once you have neurodivergence, you have a 10x likelihood you're going to have at least one secondary psychiatric mental health condition. So you know, that's why you see ADHD and OCD, you know, OCD, I mean, or any of the other conditions. So that stress state of the nervous system, we don't have unlimited capacity for stress, I think that's what people are realizing, that I am so stressed out, you know, and I love, you know, I'm a Gen X, right? And so the Gen Z's are like, I'm done with having all this stress, like I need balance in my life, which I love, because it is the truth. And so we think we can just run and run and run and run on empty. And you know what, there are seasons or events in your life, right? You bring home a new baby, you're not going to be sleeping, you know, all these things, these are times when you will experience stress mixed with a lot of joy to hopefully, um, and it will pass a baby's not going to cry for beyond most babies, you know, really start to settle after a few months to hope, you know, and so that's another thing we never warn parents that babies cry. But you you go through seasons where you're are in heightened stress, the problem is, we're keeping our stress cups so full, nobody's removing the stressors. And yet we keep adding everyday pieces in our life. And we're faced with chronic dysregulation. And you don't have to have a clinical condition. So when I when we see ADHD, autism and whatnot, they're more sensitive to their environments. So they're more prone to dysregulation. But I know having worked with all kinds of individuals over these 30 years that we, they don't have to have these issues. When we regulate the nervous system, you create much more capacity for everyday life.

Andy Smith 17:44 
And so we recently recorded an episode discussing neuro-inflammation and autism. Do you think reducing neuro-inflammation is one of the key reasons PEMF might help some autistic children and perhaps children with ADHD, OCD or anxiety as well?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 18:00 
Yeah, 100%. I mean, when I talk about PEMF and, you know, the device that, you know, I created and use in just all PEMF, right? What is it doing? It's changing the way the cells work and how they're communicating and functioning. There's a lot to be said about that. It's pulling you into a parasympathetic state, right? And this is regardless of what device you're using. This is what PEMF does. This is why NASA created it for the astronauts. And third, what it's going to do is it's going to improve detoxification and reduce neuroinflammation. I can tell you that because I do brain maps, and I just think they're an amazing, amazing tool to really get clear about people who are struggling in any, anything, physical, mental health, is really great to give you clear information. And I'm not saying every provider, and I'm no longer practicing, please don't contact me, but I'm not saying every practitioner had this ability to do this, but this was my superpower. This is what I did for all, you know, all these years and why people flew in all over the world was more than anything was to be like, tell me exactly what's going on. But the brain maps, the trending of the brain maps was that they're just so much neuroinflammation, so much brain inflammation, that it's almost shocking to me when I don't have somebody with neuroinflammation. And contrary to even, you know, 10 or 15 years ago, you would expect more inflammation in an adult brain. Now it's the opposite. I rarely had a kid who didn't have inflammation, and I'm talking any age, and coming from anywhere. I mean, there were certain, there are definitely certain lifestyle factors that affect the level of inflammation that people have that you could see very clearly. And, you know, again, objectively in a brain map and, but, you know, PEMF is a wonderful way to knock down neuroinflammation, and it is intricately intertwined with nervous system activation. So when we calm the nervous system, what happens is the physiological responses of the body, right, your hormones, your endocrine system, your immune system, your, you know, the systems all related to detoxification, they all can start working the way they're supposed to. That's the beauty of PEMF is it supports the entire body system and allows the body to do what it's designed to do. But when it's in a chronic stress state, I always talk about what happens in chronic stress, like it's like, imagine your body, you know, your whole military operation. And so to me, stress state is war, right, because the body thinks that it's not safe. So it takes all its troops, and it sends them out of the barracks, and it puts them in an encampment. And it's like, we're waiting for the war waiting for the war. So what happens? It's taking all your resources. And so that's exactly that's the there's an entire field of study is called psychoimmunology. So this is what we know what happens to the body in a stress state. It's not it's using all its resources to figure out what that stressor is. And it stops working on its regular things. And this is why people who are getting proper care with great physicians and providers and treatment, it's why they get stuck, because they're not regulating the nervous system.

Andy Smith 21:47 
So yeah, we'll take a bit of a deeper dive into PEMF and also I want to talk about the brain mapping that you keep mentioning too, but I want to skip forward a little bit and just, you know, once a child's nervous system becomes more regulated, what are the first changes parents usually notice in, you know, in their behaviour?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 22:05 
I think the number one thing people will say to me is they say, you know, I just noticed my kids more with it. That's literally the words that half of my people will say to me. And you know, what does that mean for a parent? Because I think when, what happens when you're in a stress state? When you're in a stress state, you're more rigid, you're not as flexible, and you might be cranky, you might not want to be touched, you might not want to be hugged, you might be overly clingy. There's a wide range of behaviours that happen, but certainly it's not what parents thought parenting was gonna be, right? I mean, nobody, you know, part of my work is to help you right out of the gate so that you come in with the right tools so you don't have to search. You can use what worked for some of the most challenging behaviours and start parenting with little babies, you know, and make parenting a better experience for you and your kid and the generations that come beyond it. But, you know, when, you know, it is very, when people experience PEMF and what they're noticing afterwards is that they have a kid who's more responsive and connected. And when a kid is more regulated, you know, if you're more responsive and connected, if you've been saying, no, no, no, no, I'm not gonna do that, mom and dad, I'm not gonna listen to you. I mean, not saying they are. Kids never do things on purpose. Even when you think they are, it's their nervous system acting on autopilot. It's the survival mechanism of the nervous system, right? So when they are regulated, they're just much more receptive to hugs and affection and can handle, you know, hard conversations about correction, right? Okay, all right, Joey, you just did this and I can see you tried, but it didn't work, you know? And they're not so reactive. So you're able to move forward. I mean, I think for people that have multiple kids and they see that one kid is much more flexible and open because what are we doing with our kids? You know, these 18 years, how about beyond? Teaching them to be independent individuals in many, many facets, right? Social, emotional, spiritual, academic. And our world overly focuses on academic, but we need to really include nervous system in there. So for sure, those are the pieces that we see.

Andy Smith 24:43 
I mean, doing these episodes and not on the PEMF podcast is so useful. You know, even for myself, I take a lot of things from these and, and I'm resonating with a lot of this because, you know, I'm a parent myself. I've got two young girls, a seven and a four year old. Um, a seven year old is, is absolute dream. My four year old, she's very much full of ADHD. So, you know, we, we, we're seeing these changes and a lot of the behaviours, like traits that you're talking about is, is, is everything we see in her as well. So, um, she's only just started.

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 25:13 
ADHD right what does that mean for you is it mean that she's like has a hard time starting something finishing is she curious like right

Andy Smith 25:23 
All of the above. All of the above. Yeah. All of the above. Yeah. So that's the thing. You know, she's not diagnosed with ADHD. Yeah. But, you know, from being in the health industry, it's written all over her and it oozes from her. You know, she's very, you know, she will not sit still. She struggles to go to bed at night. She struggles with concentrating, with starting things, finishing things, you know, and whereas, you know, my older daughter will sit there and do all sorts of different, you know, she'll draw for hours. But... And, you know, here's the thing.

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 25:56 
Thing 50% of the people 50% of the people that came to ADHD diagnosis already didn't have ADHD. So is it that we don't want to deny that she has ADHD, there's nothing wrong with having ADHD, but regardless of diagnosis, we've got to regulate. And also too, the thing that I saw, because I spent 22 years doing neuropsychiatric testing and helping kids who had neurodivergence and issues and things that were interfering with learning. But on the flip side of that, I would help create these amazing programs for them. And I would get the schools to do what they were supposed to do. And sometimes it meant within the school and sometimes it meant private schools. I even had families from the UK that we had to bring back to the United States, because it's different educationally there, it's much improved. But the United States, in terms of getting services when you need a specialized plan, it's called special education, is light years ahead of particularly even some places in the UK. Ireland is like 1950s America in terms of autism sport. I'm saying this from having helped a few people. But kids learn differently, right? And we have kinesthetic learners, your daughter's a kinesthetic learner. She learned through doing and movement. And so when we have a traditional program, she may be showing those behaviours because it's not her love language of learning. And so sometimes it means she's ADHD, but it might mean she has a gift, an area of giftedness that is just not being met. So you start to see behaviours. And it's not as simple as that. And not everybody has... This is part of why a lot of people homeschool their kids, because or find different educational settings. My own educational journey, my kids are neurodivergent. And so my older one was homeschooled. We did a mix of different schools, but he wanted it being homeschooled. And it was a great move for him. And then my younger one went to a Montessori school. He didn't want to be homeschooled. And that was fine. And he's in a small educational environment. And he's really thriving. But if I didn't put him in a sensory environment, also too, I married into a dyslexic family. And if I didn't give, particularly my youngest, who was triple deficit, very severe level of dyslexia, and I knew right away, I gave him reading intervention right out of the gate. He never experienced regular education. He only had what his brain needed. And so he's arriving, most importantly, in his self concept. So what happens is when we try to push these kids into these... He's a square peg and trying to go in a round hole, just destroys who they are in the inside. And we need to provide a variety of ways to teach kids in different learning environments. And I've had the privilege of helping all these kids over three decades, and even my own, and just to see how important it is. Because the most important thing, it's a regulated nervous system, but it's also believing in yourself. You don't believe in yourself. It doesn't matter how smart you are. You're just not going to get as far as you can go.

Andy Smith 29:33 
And do you think those children are easier to teach and learn, you know, once they're in a regulated state, despite the environment?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 29:41 
incomparable. It's night and day. When you talk about your daughter, right, your older daughter, it's because she's regulated. She might actually have the same skill set as your younger daughter, but your daughter, your younger daughter's nervous system is more wired to be sensitive. So her cup fills up faster throughout the day. She doesn't know how to empty it. And so, you know, it's not a matter. This is what I did for 30 years as I emptied people's stress cups. Then we came in and said, okay, how did they learn best? What do we need to have here? And you know, like you already know your, your dad with young kids, you already know you have two totally different kids. And you're like, how did that happen? I have a glass half empty head and I have a glass half full. Right? The way I approach them is completely different, completely different. Yet our core values, we call, we call my husband, Mr. Hodge, like anytime and I refer to him, it's always Mr. Hodge. Mr. Hodge and I have the same core values. We parent very similarly. We view things very much this very much the same. It took, you know, it took some, we we've always gotten along. I'm not going to lie, but we've been together over 30 years. And I know it's not normal for couples to always get along, but we pretty much do. And, and, but when you are talking about how to prepare kids for, for, for learning, if regulation isn't there, biology does not allow you to absorb. It's just that way. And I think all somebody has to do is step back and think about that in their own life, right? If you went, you worked, you know, at university and you know, you were at a party in the night before and you're super sleepy and whatever, you don't remember anything. And you might say, well, the version, that's because you're hungover. Now I'm saying like, even if you didn't drink, you're just not prepared for that learning where you had a good night of sleep. You saw your, you saw your best friend, you know, you gave a hug right before class, you got a dopamine hit and you go into class. You're just going to absorb a lot more. And so we have to start thinking about that because we're moving to an increasingly dysregulated society. All you have to do is watch the daily news and you feel sad about what's happening. I mean, you know, in, in America, we have on average one shooting a day in America. And that is a very sad state of affairs. And it's about ignoring a lot of clues from dysregulated individuals, particularly when it happens with young kid, when it happens with kids that are shooters, you look back at their history, 100% of them have a history of X, Y, and Z issue that reflected a lot of dysregulation that everybody ignored.

Andy Smith 32:35 
Yeah, and on that point, you know, you know, as a nation, we've, we've been, you know, we've been trying to fix the wrong problem. We've been trying to fix the back behaviour rather than, you know, the, you know, what is, what should we be fixing the nervous system?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 32:52 
Definitely, 100%. And we're making it way too hard. I mean, you know, whether, whether you, for me, you know, as somebody who's out here as a, you know, a very seasoned mental health professional, and, you know, it doesn't matter whether you read my book, or you listen to my podcast, or come read a blog, it doesn't matter. I'm really giving out very clear ways to regulate yourself. And most of the things I talk about, yes, I love PEMF, yes, I sell a device. But really, what I'm talking about is all things that are free, that you can do, you just have to actually do them. I mean, you can't have one offs, right? It's like the gym, right? You, you can't build your muscle by having one awesome day of working out, right? You know, so I work out seven days a week. And I work out multiple times a day. And I do little micro workouts all day for multiple reasons, but mostly actually not just build muscle, but actually to lower my cortisol level, because your body knows no difference between good and bad stress. And I am a very highly piece of, I don't know, meat that we're cooking for dinner, as I can from some guy cutting me off on the road, right? Like my nervous system gets jacked like that. So I know that I have like, I literally have a, you know, I literally have a PEMF device in my pocket right now. I because the lights bother me. So, um, but I need my lights on. Because otherwise, it doesn't look as good, right? Um, but what am I doing to rebalance myself? I'm actually pulling stress out of my stress cup all day. Because at the end of the day, whether I had a bad day, or bad stress or good stress, that stress will accumulate. And then it's going to affect how I sleep. And then I move into a cycle of dysregulation, right? You don't sleep, then the next day, you're going to be pushing yourself, then you're going to exhaust yourself, your stress cups going to go up, then you're going to go into a cycle again of not sleeping, or maybe oversleeping. And I share these things because this is the culture we're living in. And you have to go back and think, what am I doing to pull a little bit of stress out every day? And it's not that hard.

Andy Smith 35:22 
And just to touch on the brain mapping, because you've mentioned that a couple of times in the episode so far and you've performed thousands, I think they're called Q-E-E-G brain maps, like throughout your career. What has that taught you about a dysregulated brain?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 35:40 
Yeah, so just to understand what a brain map is, it's really simply, it's, um, it, it collects, uh, it measures a surface electrical activity, um, at, at the, in the brain. And then what happens is you put it in a database, it gets analyzed and it gives you a visual representation of the brain. And, and you can see what areas are overworking and underworking, right? So under, so under stimulation, overstimulation. I mean, I, I think the biggest thing that I see is overactivation. And what's cool about a brain map, you can actually see the structures, what's happening over the structure. So what's happening in your frontal lobes or your amygdala area, you know, and then you actually can see brain communication. So what's ha how are the, how is the brain connecting? I always call those super highways. So people are exhausted. And so what the brain communication, either most of the time is either I call it jacked up, like in full activation, but for adults a lot, you, the other side of overactivation is shutting off. And so you see areas where things are just turned off because they've run out of gas. And so more than anything, I see just exhausted brains that have a lot of inflammation, a lot of activation and those, you know, and when you start regulating, you really get to see that change.

Andy Smith 37:09 
And throughout all these brain maps, have you, is there common brainwave patterns you tend to see with children ADHD, anxiety and autism, like differences in, in what, you know, what would be perceived as a normal brain activity?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 37:24 
So, when I sit down and look at a brain map and honestly, in 30 seconds, I can tell you exactly what's going on. So again, I'm very unusual in the sense that when you've done this many brain maps, just like anything else, if you were a cardiologist and you'd done 10,000 heart surgeries, you're going to have a totally different experience than somebody who's done 100, right? So, and it's also just a very intuitive process and anything I do, I do level 10 geek, just the way that I am. Like, I'm all in on anything. So when you're seeing brain maps, it becomes very clear, very clear what ADHD is. It's very clear for me when somebody has Lyme disease, tick-borne illness, I actually could tell the difference between viruses and bacteria in a brain. That's how clear I got it. I could tell when you had gut dysbiosis. And whenever I saw a medical condition, by the way, I referred you to the appropriate medical provider to get medical treatment to resolve. But the brain, what happens in ADHD, of course, you see ADHD brains show a mix of activation. They show areas of understimulation, they show serious areas of overstimulation, but always their frontal lobes, they're missing some gas. You know, they're really missing the power to power up. They show a lot of very unfocused brain waves, and they show an absence of focused brain waves. I mean, that's just the standard. And we know through research that it's 89% accurate in diagnosing ADHD versus standard behavioural weighting scales, which are between 37 and I believe 42% accurate. So quite a difference in how accurate they are. Most people are like, wow, you know, autism shows an incredible amount of neuroinflammation. I mean, the greatest levels of neuroinflammation I've ever seen have been in brains with kids with autism and pans pandas, which is a disease where there's a misdirected immune response and infectious or toxin trigger causes the brain to produce incredible amounts of inflammation. And then there's neurocognitive and neuropsychiatric symptoms. I could do a whole other talk about it, but it's very it's become increasingly common across the globe. UK is very much recognizing it. They weren't, they were like staunch against it, but there's there's everyone's realizing and this isn't just affects kids, it also affects adults too. So if anybody ever has a sudden onset after a tick, you know, COVID, any infection, any toxic mold, you probably have pans and pandas and you need to find a provider. But there's distinct patterns in all of those. And then, of course, because I was a clinician, I would then do a clinical intake to rule out or rule out certain things. Certain brain patterns, for example, concussion, head injury, birth trauma. There's nothing else that could be like when you see it, you're like, tell me what happened and people will say, oh, I don't know. I don't remember. And then I would dig in, dig in, dig in. And they'd go, oh, yeah, you know, literally true story. I jumped off a roof and into a pool and, but I didn't pass out and I'm like, but you had something right here. Oh yeah. Yeah. I went to the hospital, but you know, it was fine. was like, hmm, what did your real problems start? And they were like, hmm, gosh, about six months later. It's like, okay. So it's a great diagnostic tool and it's a great measurement tool to whatever treatment we did, whether it was everything from a gluten-free diet, to PEMF, to neurofeedback, to different forms of psychotherapy. I've even done pre and post for Qigong. I mean, it's objective data, which is lovely to have. It's not necessary, right? I love to see what are the changes actually happening and being really specific, not like, oh, I'm no longer depressed. You know, it's like, I'm no longer having a hard time getting up in the morning, or I'm able to get up within 30 minutes, right? And measuring, because we have an all-or-nothing mentality in the world, you have to get really specific about the behaviours you want to see, so your brain can recognize the positive changes.

Andy Smith 42:04 
That's really interesting to say that, actually, because, you know, with PEMF therapy, it's a very passive therapy. So it's quite difficult to show someone physically what is the difference between using PEMF and, you know, before and after. And we've used methods in the past, like dark field microscopes, looking at the blood activity and the cell activity before and after PEMF. But you mentioned about using the brain map, so doing pre and post PEMF therapy with the brain map. So what exactly are you seeing? Are you doing these like within half an hour of each other or are these like a few days or months?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 42:40 
Oh, months. So I'm no longer doing this, but we had a six month program where we do, and I've done all kinds of variations outside of the six month program, but I like months to go by, right? So at least three months, sometimes it's six months, I've even done eight months later or a year later. And some people love to have it, but that clear data, sometimes when you talk about labs, sometimes we measure cortisol, sometimes we measure insulin levels, right? Because the cortisol and insulin are related and people can have hyper levels of both. And you don't have to have these things, but man, I mean, I'm a data nerd and my people loved data. They love to see the difference. Now, I had lots of people who just buy PEMF. So when we would, I always say, what are the three things you want to change? I had people who bought PEMF solely for constipation that was related to stress. It was clear it was related to stress, they ruled out everything else. And stresses behind, they estimate about 70% of all medical visits are stress related. I think that's even an underestimate. So just even for yourself, you're doing PEMF, what do you want to do? You pick three micro behaviours, right? I want to sleep better. What does that mean? I want to sleep more than six hours, okay? Right, monitor it and then really keep track of it. Because often when we're in such a state of dysregulation, it's really hard to see positives because our brain is wired to see negative. So people would say things to me over the years, like I don't see anything and I'd say, oh, let me look at the behaviour charts. And I'm like, well, we have a 50% improvement. And they'd be like, what? And I'm like, yeah, look at where you started. So really, really focus on the micro and look forward to that. But you're right, it is a passive thing. I mean, my husband is like such a happy guy. Like when I put him on like every single thing you could think of like alpha stim, this, that, whatever. And he's like, I don't feel anything, right? But he does it, you know? And with PEMF, he goes, I feel nothing because I feel very chill from it, like the moment I use it. And, but what he notices is like he'll sleep better. He'll notice, so he's a real fit buff guy. He's that guy that, you know, like people like, what do you do to work out? He's super buff, right? He works out like an hour to 90 minutes a day and lifting weights. And he notices that he can work out better without pain to his muscle because when you're working out that much and you're in your fifties, you're gonna feel it. So he even just had an injury, water skiing. And I just said to him, I was like, what do you think? And he's like, well, I'm healing more, I'm healing rapidly than they expected. So it's gotta be doing something. So just see the possibilities instead of saying the negative, it's not doing anything. Because when you're saying the negative, your brain is gonna believe it. So you say, you know, I always say, if you're not feeling it, say, oh, I look forward to this working. I'm so excited about it. It is incredibly powerful to the brain.

Andy Smith 46:09 
Yeah. And so, you know, you've mentioned PEMF therapy in this episode already. We'll kind of focus a little bit more on it. And where did it start for you? You know, you've been using it for over 10 years now, but what first convinced you that it was worth introducing?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 46:25 
So two parts. It's a good story. So so because I'm in Connecticut, which is where we named Lyme disease. And I started working with people with Lyme disease in 1997, is the first person I had with chronic Lyme disease. And when you see somebody in a with chronic Lyme disease, you cannot unsee it. It is a horrible flection. And it's very common across the globe, every single continent, including Antarctica now, as ticks. So and ticks carry it. And there's so many myths about it. That's a whole other story. So I would do neurofeedback with them, I would do alpha stim, I would do all these things. And I still had a group of people where I couldn't get them far enough. I would always improve symptoms. But I, I just couldn't get them to where they were like, to me, at least 80% or better, right? And I had lots of people where I got them 100%, like many, many people. And many people where they move beyond 100%. Like, they were like, Oh, I'm a lot better than when I ever could have ever imagined, like, I've never been this great. So how exciting is that? Right? And we're talking like, I'm in contact with people, like, some of these kids I work with have their own kids, like, it's awesome, right? So, so when I, I was part of a board of the Northeast Region Biofeedback Society, which teaches all about, you know, PEMF, biofeedback, neurofeedback, they're really about teaching you how to support the nervous system, the brain and health. So Mitch would run these meetings, he was the head of the board. And he has vocal Parkinson's. And, and you have to have a lot of patients when somebody's running a meeting, who has vocal Parkinson's, because you almost want to stop and be like, okay, Mitch, I think you're trying to say this. But he literally would have vocal tics, we'd have to sit there. And it was uncomfortable. But we love Mitch. So one day, we're on a meeting, he doesn't have any vocal tics. And I literally said, Mitch, what the hell are you doing? And he said, stay on, because I'm going to tell you. So he told me about PEMF. And I was like, I've no, I've heard of this. I heard amp coil, you know, I've seen mixed results or whatever. Anyway, long story short, he introduced me to it, he introduced me to the manufacturer, which I later developed my own PEMF device. And I started using it immediately. And I started using it with those Lyme disease patients. And the amplification of results were mind blowing, were absolutely mind blowing. I bought one unit, which was like, I don't know how much money. And people were walking out and I at that point, I had a clinic where it was like standing room only in the waiting room, like, it was just not on just on Saturday alone, we would have 40 neurons. No feedback appointments. We were busy. So people would come out of that room, and literally be like, looking like they had just had a massage, you know, they just looked very chill. And people, the mothers were going, What, what did she just do? I want that, so I quickly had to buy a second unit and so much so that it was so popular that we had to physically expand. I had to buy another unit where I was and all this other stuff. And so it just amplified. And the thing that I love PEMF and I would never, all PEMF is good, everyone has to have the right thing, but I had a very specific population. I had a population that had a lot of infectious disease and I had a very high level of a population that had anxiety, OCD, and focus problems all intertwined. So I wind up developing these very tight protocols that were very specific because the type of PEMF I have, I could make very specific protocols for each issue. So long story, I wound up then making my own device that was portable because I wanted a portable device because sitting down for PEMF is amazing, but I'm moving and shaking, I'm a mother or young kids. I wanted to be able to have calm in my pocket, right? And so that's my journey to PEMF and just the outcomes. I mean, I even have a patient that had treatment resistant, I have two people who had treatment resistant MS and they weren't responding to anything. They had multiple lesions. So we have pre, mid, and post-CAT scans with them only doing PEMF. and they've resolved, they improved. I mean, this is crazy stuff. So, and then afterwards I made changes to their diets and introduced high level vitamin D. And both of them I kept in contact with for years and they've just done incredibly, incredibly well. I mean, there's something to be said. Does that mean the PEMF in itself change their cells? Yes, but it's equally about pulling you into a relaxed nervous system. When you regulate, it just opens up the body's healing process. It's an incredible process, so for sure.

Andy Smith 52:06 
No, it's good. It's really nice to hear like such a similar story to myself as well. And just so many things that resonate, you know, once you experience PEMF or you see somebody else experience PEMF and you just see the resounding results, you know, I was working for the family business and in a successful job and had a successful career ahead of me and discovered PEMF therapy and I'm like, stop everything. You know, I've got to go in that direction because that is where it's drawing me to. And I just want to see everybody else benefiting from PEMF therapy the way that I did. So it's really nice to hear such a, you know, such a similar story and that, you know, you've been doing it for so many years now and you've got your own product as well, which we'll link at the bottom of this episode so anybody's interested can check that out too. So like if we look at now, what role does PEMF play in your clinic now or overall in your work?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 52:59 
Yeah, so my clinic is over. I'm not doing a clinic anymore, but I am just doing PEMF. So my vision is a world where people are regulated. So I am teaching people how to regulate first in many levels, like I want to bring this to schools. I want every parent in the world to go home with my book right out of the gate so they understand regulation. But PEMF is the tool that I feel is just so accessible and easy to use. And it's funny because the biohackers all use PEMF, like they all use it. And I've been using it clinically. Like I've really only been using it for people who have serious, serious issues. I mean, the average person that used to come to my clinic would have seen typically at least nine to 12 providers before they came to me. And I mean all kinds of providers. And I have incredibly complex cases, the cases that nobody would take. So they would have mental health and medical issues. That was the standard of 90% of my cases. Very complex, you know, OCD with Lyme disease or all these autoimmune diseases. And PEMF was just such an incredible part of their healing journey. I almost never had anybody not get a device. Sometimes I had people using a device coming in and they saw the benefit and that was great, you know? But most people weren't aware of it. They were much more aware of neurofeedback. And sometimes, you know, it's a wonderful combination. Neurofeedback and PEMF people will say like, do you have one or the other? Well, first of all, when I did a brain map, I told you objectively what you needed. I didn't always tell you needed neurofeedback or PEMF. I told you what you needed. But that's my ethical responsibility. But most people, it's just such a beneficial product. I mean, the only people who really can't use PEMF, I mean, you're always gonna get medical clearance, but you know, it's people who have magnetic devices, a pacemaker, a shunt. And you know, who couldn't benefit from nervous system calming? Nobody on the planet, people. I mean, I just put up on my stories, my cat, one of my cats, her name is Sweetie Pie. She is a doll. I mean, she's such a little cutie. When she sees me pull out the PEMF mat, I'm not kidding you. She comes running and she sits on the secondary pad and she sits there and she literally is like, you know, cat rolling around in self-love. That's how much she loves it. She loves the digestion protocol.

Andy Smith 55:52 
It's a common bit of feedback. We, we mentioned it on the podcast quite frequently that people buy a PEMF device to themselves and they'll, you know, they will call us the next few days and they say, you know, the funny thing is when I turn it on my cat and my dog, you know, my dog's not a lap dog and comes over and sits on me and in, and they're like, well, why is that? And you know, he explains to them that they're kind of drawn to it and they, you know, they, they enjoy it. They're enjoying the sessions. Oh yeah.

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 56:16 
I mean, I, and just, you know, I would say that I feel that about probably 80, 90% of people have an instant calming effect when they do PEMF. I always feel that way. And just know, like, if you're like Mr. Hodge, you never get that. Cause he's always in a chill state. So he doesn't need to go, he doesn't have to, he doesn't know where to go. He's always in Paris. He's always, I call it the hot tub state. He's always very chill and he knows it's working. It's just that when we're very activated, we feel it more, right? But it is pulling you out of a parasympathetic state. And also what you're bringing into the table, some of my incredibly traumatized people may not recognize it as much. And, you know, but it doesn't mean it's not doing its job. You have to look at it over time.

Andy Smith 57:07 
Yeah. And, you know, we mentioned my, my youngest daughter before and, um, you know, something we use to, to help her sleep now is, is PEMF therapy. And, um, you know, we've, we've, we've not put it onto the children, you know, as, as forcefully or anything like that. It's, it's always been, you know, she's got to a stage now where she asks for it. And, um, even last night she, she grazed her knee, she fell off her scooter and grazed her knee and she asked for the PEMF device and, uh, I strapped it to her leg. And usually what I normally do is when I go in and after she's fallen asleep, I take it off completely forgot last night. So I woke up in the morning. It's still strapped to her leg, but bless her. Is it, you know, it's something she, she actively asked for now, but

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 57:48 
Yeah, my kids are all my stuff. They're like, you know, they'll I'll see them like particularly my younger one Like he's he's my friends will be like he's in the dr. Roseanne program Like he's like hey, where's that? I'm coming down with something. Give me that device, you know, but we're super holistic family I mean, we do a lot of things we do IVs. I'm about to get a hyperbaric oxygen chamber in my house like, you know I'm I'm and you know, I've been holistic since 1992 like I only you know, as soon as I had complex cases, I was like psych meds and talk therapy does nothing Let me go look at some research and then that's where I open the door to all these things and it wasn't hard to look I'm including good nutrition and all that other stuff. I think the great part about PEMF is like, you know, if you're not like I truly never ever have wheat or dairy I am like a clean eater. I am taking great care of myself in the inside on the outside and And so like that that doesn't have to be your life, right? So if you feel like oh, you know I had too much beer yesterday or I shouldn't eat in that You know cinnamon bun with all this butter and sugar and now I feel like doo-doo PEMF for me becomes like a way to kind of just make my body work better kind of it really helps me detox Things out on my detox system is very poor. It's incredibly poor So a lot of my life is built around improving detoxification so that I prevent Illnesses Including cancer and this is just my thing because multiple people in my family have empty I have MTHFR a genetic variant so we don't detox properly and So three of the five of my immediate family members have had cancer Two of them had it multiple times. So I know this and I want to live like, you know I live a life where I'm really focusing on pulling toxins out of my body because I have multiple things That prevent me from detoxifying properly and PEMF is just a really easy way to Help my cells work better and clear toxins out of my body

Andy Smith 01:00:08 
So it's a good point to come onto that actually when we're looking at the kind of science behind PEMF and you often talk about improving cellular communication when it comes to PEMF. So what does that actually mean?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:00:20 
Yeah, so what we we know from the science of PEMF is that it's designed to help the cells work better. And when our cells are functioning better, and just know there are many ways to help ourselves work better, including intermittent fasting, you know, our diet, hydration, exercise, all kinds of things. But when our cells are working more healthily, right, we have more energy, we have more, everything in our body is powered by cells. And so when we improve our cellular health, our mitochondria work better, right, that's the energy, and we notice things physically, we notice things in our brain work better, we have better health.

Andy Smith 01:01:08 
And you know, why do you think the PEMF therapy works so well with dysregulated children and kind of on the back of that, if a parent introduces PEMF therapy into children that dysregulated, what should they notice on the outside? What's the first kind of by-product of that?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:01:26 
I mean, PEMF works so well for everybody because it's easy. I mean, it's just really, really easy to use. Like it's a passive therapy that, you know, you could be watching TV when you're doing it. You can, you know, for me, I'm doing an interview right now with PEMF. So it works so well because it's easy. And here's what I found about kids. Like kids are really pretty easy. I know parents would come and be like, They're not gonna do this! Like, oh, they're not gonna and I was like, let the brain state take over because it feels calming. It feels good. Even if your child, don't be like, oh, do you notice something? Kids don't have words. Like they don't know what they notice. Unless you're therapist kids, like, you know, I could go to my kid and be like, where are you feeling that stress in your body? And they'll be like, oh, right here. You know, these are words and things that we've learned and communicated with. So it's a very easy therapy. Kids aren't resistant. And they might not have the words to be able to say like, wow, I feel really good. You know, some kids do. If you're that kind of family and you're having conversations about emotions and feelings and body sensations, which every parent should, then they're gonna be able to articulate it. And the things that they should notice is, you know, what are those things that you were struggling with, right? Like I always say like, what are those symptoms, right? So some parents, right, would buy PEMF for the one kid who was having a hard time. And I was like, have everybody in your family use it. So then they would buy a second device because they're like, well, crikey, I wanna have that thing too. And there would be split. But not every family did, not every family can afford it. But what are you noticing? I feel that overall, you just notice that people are more willing to be affectionate, to hug and to be not so reactive, you know? And when the nervous system is calmer, you're just so much more receptive to the connection, to the correction. You're also much more receptive to fun, you know? I am a big believer in humor and joy in every aspect of what I do, but certainly parenting. And like, there are developmental stages when your kids are crankier, right? Like being a teenager and stuff like that. And our kids let us be so fun. Like as soon as that cranky comes up, I call it like the Hulk, you know, when Bruce Banner is starting to turn into the Hulk, like I am able, my husband even more to just be really fun. And because they're regulated, they're so much more responsive to that. They're just much more open. I just think like, I think that when, I know when you're regulated, you're just able to get further and help your kids grow because we should never let our kids like be bubble wrapped and avoid stress. We want our kids to be regulated enough to get through it, problem solve, and be confident so that when the next time it comes up, they can manage it without hanging onto you like a life raft. So you just notice a much calmer, more capable kid, you know, when you're regulated, that's it.

Andy Smith 01:04:48 
We touched on cellular communication, also the mitochondrial function that comes from it, and also neuro-inflammation when it comes to PEMF. How much of PEMF benefit do you think comes from reducing neuro-inflammation?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:05:04 
Well, I do really feel that neuroinflammation and the nervous system dysregulation are the two greatest threats to our society. I think that it is leading to an incredible amount of mental health issues. And we know neuroinflammation is a big deal because one pharma is making drugs targeting neuroinflammation. So pharma is going to go where the money is. We also have research, for example, they've done postmortem studies in the brains of Autistics and they found that 76% had neuroinflammation. So we know this is a common thing driving a lot of people in their issues. And it is something that is surprising to people. And neuroinflammation, people are like, oh my God, I have brain inflammation. Like, how does that happen? Who should I see? Should I get an MRI? I'm not going to answer that for you, but I can tell you that it is that common that we should be incorporating everyday things to counter it. And the number one way you can counter it is by regulating the nervous system. All those people, particularly my Lyme disease people right where I live, famous, famous doctors are there. And the famous actors started to refer to me because they were like, I did everything. I did everything. I gave them this. I did that. They should be better. And they all had nervous systems that were stuck. Some of them had trauma backgrounds, some of them didn't. But when the nervous system gets stuck, then you're forced to do clinical things to pull it down. PEMF being one of them, neurofeedback being another one. There are other things, but those are my two most effective strategies that I used. And I got to the point where I didn't even want to do neurofeedback unless you were doing PEMF because it was just such a massive amplifier. And I'm always going to love neurofeedback. I'm just not going to practice it. But PEMF is just easy. And also you get to have your own device and you get to use it all the time, which is incredible. And again, our cats get to have it too.

Andy Smith 01:07:23 
Exactly, good to share. It becomes a family device, doesn't it?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:07:27 
go sit and watch a good show and then everybody will sit on you, your kid, the dog, you know.

Andy Smith 01:07:34 
Yeah. Um, so just, just to wrap this one up, when we, um, when we were kind of arranging this podcast, uh, you would say that you're in book launch mode. So tell us a little bit about your new book, the disfangulated kid?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:07:47 
Yeah, I'm so proud of this book. I'm so excited. I wrote The Disregulated Kid for every single person on the planet, without a kid or with a kid, who says, I'm just sick and tired of being stressed. I'm sick and tired of everyone else being dysregulated. And it's literally a step-by-step practical playbook on how to understand what dysregulation is, what are the signs, but what am I going to do about it? And I made it so easy that I want you to think about regulating your nervous system, like brushing your teeth, that you're going to take just a few minutes a day to regulate yourself, help your kid regulate, and what are the positive outcomes that are going to happen, right? You're just going to be much more connected, attentive, productive. And for your kid, they're going to be all that plus their learning amplification increases. So not just in the academics, but stuff around home. You know, your kid's resistant to picking up their clothes or doing the dishwasher. Those things, those are, that's learning. And so when we help individuals be regulated, really everything is possible. So it's just a simple step-by-step way to do it. Of course, I talk about, you know, why, but I think in our field, we talk so much about why and we don't tell them how. This is literally a step-by-step playbook on exactly how to do it. And everything in the book. Yeah, I talk about PEMF in the back, but everything in the book is free. So this is about how to bring regulation to your everyday life without it being that hard.

Andy Smith 01:09:27 
No, good. And, you know, once that's when did you say that was being launched? Is it launched already or is it?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:09:32 
Oh, it launches in September, but for everybody who pre buys it, they get like resources they can start using on day one. And then there's also all these extra special things like for people who buy it, we're going to do a live implementation so they'll have access to me to be able to coach through it. Even though I gave you like simple step-by-step plan, you know, sometimes people just need a little talking through. So I want people to, I don't want to have any excuse for people to not be regulated. So I thought of all the ways that you need support and I want to be there for people because I want to, to me, this is the antidote to the dysregulation crisis.

Andy Smith 01:10:13 
No, good. Okay. So, Dr. Razan, where can people find you, you know, if people want to work with you, if they want to pick your brain on something, where's the best place to start?

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:10:23 
So they can just go to drrosanne.com. That's D-R-R-O-S-E-A-N-N.com. Or you just search Dr. Roseanne. I'm gonna come up wherever you are. I've been around a long time and I do a lot of things. But that's the best place to start, is just go to the website.

Andy Smith 01:10:41 
Excellent. And we'll link that at the bottom of the episode too. So anybody listening to that can go to the show notes and we'll find that. For the listeners, thanks so much for listening to today's episode. If you enjoyed it, please subscribe, leave us a five-star review on your favorite streaming platform. It really does help us to bring more great guests like Dr. Roseann to share their knowledge with you. And a majority of our listeners actually don't leave reviews or haven't subscribed to us yet. So please do that. It will support us and it will enable us to grow. But for today, Dr. Roseann, thank you so much for your time.

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge 01:11:10 
Thank you, and everybody has the power to regulate.