Andy Smith 00:00 
A quick disclaimer before we begin, the PEMF podcast does not contain any medical advice and the content provided is for informational purposes only. If you have any health concerns, please visit a healthcare professional.

Welcome back to another episode of the PEMF podcast and today we've got a very special guest and I have to start this podcast by apologizing to our guest because actually this is not our first tango. We recorded a podcast two days ago and our guest is actually coming to us from Canada. So, this is like early hours in the morning for him. We did a podcast, we got through all the questions we wanted to, went great, got to the end with just wrapping up and I realized that I hadn't pressed that big red button to record. So, what egg on my face that was and I since then I pretty much haven't slept properly. So, but we're going to live and learn and today we are going to smash it ten times better than it was the first time we have had a dress rehearsal and Steeve, I'll get you to introduce yourself now all the way from Canada.

Steeve Bradet 01:05 
Well, thank you, Andy. I'm glad to be back. Yeah, my name is Steeve, and I make a lot of PEMF stuff. I have a channel where I teach people how to build them. And I try to demystify basically, the muddy water that PMF is out there. So in a nutshell,

Andy Smith 01:26 
That's me. So anyone that hasn't seen Steeve on YouTube and his videos, what Steeve does a little bit bit like this PMF podcast and he kinds of ties to demystify all the mysteries in PMF and all the myths involved in intensity frequencies and a lot of new subjects that we'll touch on today. And you have a number of patrons within your group and can you can you give me a little bit of an intro into these patrons and what that is and how others can get involved.

Steeve Bradet 01:59 
Um, the Patreon group basically, uh, you know, there's, there's two kinds. There's the kind that just want to support what I do with, uh, the, the YouTube channel and keep making content. And then there's, uh, there's a big portion of them too, that just wanted to learn how pimp, you know, the internal guts of the pimp are, and I teach that in detail in there, like the way I build them anyway, and then, uh, some of them people in the group build their own pimp too, and they've, they find it quite, um, it's quite the journey, uh, when you build your own pimp, that's for sure. But I try to guide them through all the science of it and all the physics and all the formulas and stuff like that. And, uh, yeah, that's basically the Patreon group. It's a safe place for us to explore and talk about pimp, um, without being judged or ridicule or whatever, you know, the keyboard warriors out there like to do some time.

Andy Smith 02:58 
No, no, that's good. So we'll that whole idea of building a PMF sounds really interesting to me, but how did you get into PEMF in the first place? You know, let's start from the very beginning and why and how did you get involved in this weird and mysterious world of PEMF?

Steeve Bradet 03:17 
Well, I'm kind of a person of science. I like science. I do science, and physics is kind of my hobby. I've never been good at the math to be a physicist, but I really enjoy physics. And this lady came and gave us an illustration of a PMF blanket for horses, and I got a chance to use what I called the human math at the time. And it made me feel better in my neck. I have injuries that starts from up here and goes down to my toes. I live quite the life. And when I got up, I was like, man, I feel better. I think I'd like to get one of those. And she told me the price, and it was nearly $10,000 Canadian, which was on sale at the time, too. I think they're way more now. But my job nearly dropped. And I was asking her a question. I'm like, okay, what is this? How does it work? And this and that. And this poor girl, I mean, she's just a salesperson, not a technician or a scientific person of any kind. She cannot answer any of my questions. But when she told me it was an EMF signal they're making, I was like, oh, man, this is like my background. I dealt with EMF all my life. So I decided to dive in both feet and just start understanding the way it works. And which understanding the way it works was not the hard part. The hard part was that people are saying so many different things out there that that's what really confused me. And because of that, I go further and further and further into it to the point where I think I'm probably as cutting edge as I can be right now with all the discovery science and facts. And that's the way the journey started. I started build my own path, loved it, did that as a favorite to some of my neighbors. I know I'm always up to no good up here at the ranch. And they loved it. And they're like, you got to share the knowledge out there. Like you have to make this more mainstream. So I started the YouTube channel. It kind of took off way more. I thought I would get like a couple hundred people subbing to it. And that'd be the end of it. We're like over a thousand now, which is 10 times bigger than I ever thought it would be. I have a couple hundred Patreons, which also I thought it'd be like about a dozen people that be it. So I just grew so large compared to what I was expecting. But that's basically my origin story.

Andy Smith 05:55 
Yeah, how you got into it. So no, it's really interesting. So if we talk about building PMF mat, so you built your own PEMF mat and you started using it yourself. So when we started talking, I found this really interesting and people listening to podcasts probably think, you know, myself, I'm running a company called Newmed and we sell multiple different PMF devices and we want to make it accessible for people and that sort of thing. You know, why is he bringing on someone who is going to tell people how to build their own systems? But yeah, I found this really interesting and you know, for the average user, the average Joe comes up to you on the street and he says, right, I don't want to spend $10,000 on a PMF device. Is it a good idea for anybody to get involved in this and build their own system?

Steeve Bradet 06:48 
Well, this is a very, very good question. The short answer to that is no, it's not for everybody. No more than because you follow somebody on YouTube that fixes engine in your car, are you the right person to fix your own engine in your own car? But if you watch the video that have fixed an engine, for example, you'll be better educated when you go to the mechanic. So you'll be able to understand the lingo, you'll be able to know if the mechanic is trying to take you out for a ride, or he's actually being genuine with you. So that is one major, major component of my channel is education. Now, there's always those stinker around there that like, you know what? I have the tools, I have the knowledge, I have a guide, I'm gonna build my own engine. I'm gonna feel fulfilled about that. They're the people that's kind of the hobby in the first place anyway to tinker around. They're always looking for something new to learn. So that's the majority of the people that will build their own path. Many people would like to build their own path because they feel attracted by that. But in reality, it's not something that everybody can do. Why would you wanna buy tools that you'll never use again after that? I mean.

Andy Smith 08:13 
Yes, so that was the question I was going to say is like, if someone's got the knowledge, is this going to save them money as well? You know, then that's the other question.

Steeve Bradet 08:24 
See, if you do it right, not only can save you money, it can motivate you to use the product at the end because you build it yourself. Now, if you make mistakes along the way, there goes your money saving. If you have to buy the tools you'll never use again, there's a money saving again that goes out the door, right? It's not gonna look as good as a professionally custom-built device, like from you guys, for example. There's no way somebody at home can do that. I mean, if you want something that looks commercial, building your own is not necessarily an option, right? But if you're somebody that likes to rebuild engine on the weekend, well, this might be for you.

Andy Smith 09:16 
Okay, no good so we'll talk a little bit more in depth about the building side of things and all the different modalities when it comes to PMF and because we talk about a lot of the intensity frequencies and that on a podcast but there's some modalities we don't talk about often and we'll touch on those but for me, I think a good subject for us to talk about is you know, why do you think there's so many conflicting statements when it comes to PMF you know, why does everybody advertise all these different things?

Steeve Bradet 09:48 
Yeah, this is probably, I have a huge background in project management. I used to oversee really, really large project. And the first thing you do as the guy in charge, you try to find out all the different facets of the project and try to understand what's gonna be the conflicting areas on your project. And when I got to PAMF, I was like, well, why is this guy saying I need 5,000 gauss? This guy says I need three gods. This guy says I need whatever, right? And I was like, this makes no sense. This guy is a medical doctor. This guy is a physicist. This guy is a biologist. Like, what's going on? And I start refining the problem and the problem like this and looking at all the stats and data. Well, it turns out that they're all right and they're all wrong. And I was like, well, that's a weird statement to make. So I started to look deeper and deeper and deeper and trying to find the common denominator and all this. And this is what I found. Imagine a triangle and each point of the triangle being a different branch of science. So one of them would be modern medicine, like your normal physician, family doctor will call him. The next one is a physicist. Somebody that sits in the lab crunches Matt and understands the physics behind PMF. And then the third corner, like the third point of the triangle would be a biologist. Somebody that understands the way the cell, the human body, the immune system and all that jazz goes around. Now, I know a lot of people ask me this question a lot of the time and they're like, well, isn't the family doctor on this 10 biology? The answer to that is no. They have a concept of it, but they do not understand biology the way a biologist does. No more than a biologist understands how to do a family medicine. So now the physicist builds a PMF and he understands how to do it and all that stuff. And he makes a system. The doctor does not understand that. I've seen lots of doctors talking about the inverse square law with PMF does not apply. It's the wrong law. When it comes to that, you don't measure the loss of gauze that way. Now the biologist on the other end tells you, you need half a gauze to activate the cell like this. Like I don't care how much gauze you make the cell needs to see half a gauze. So the doctor says you need 5,000 gauze to reach the tip of your nose. If not, you don't do that. And the physicist is like, no, you don't. If you shunt your spiel properly, you can get away with 100 gauze because it'll do everything you need. And then unless you stack 10 people on top of each other when you're on the mat, you'd only need 100 gauze because you'll reach a foot above your belly button with still power to spare. So I got into that. I looked into it. And this is another reason why I have my channel. I tried to demystify this dreaded triangle. Now I wish, I wish, I wish, right? And as a project manager, that was my job. I put myself in the middle. I listened to all the different stories, the different scenarios, and I combined them and I tried to appease everybody. So that's where the confusion comes in. There's nobody in the middle.  There's no conductor of this symphony. Everybody's just playing their own tune whenever they want. That's basically it. So I tried to be the conductor.

Andy Smith 13:26 
And a good stuff and you mentioned during that the Gauss that Gauss was mentioned quite often and and and that's something that we mentioned on this podcast quite often because it tends to be a factor in which people purchase devices and in which they're priced because generally the higher intensity the higher the cost, the higher the Gauss rating and some people will just purely look at Gauss rating when buying and it's you know, it's almost like buying a bigger engine in the car but you know, we we try to tell people that you don't necessarily need the highest Gauss. You don't necessarily need to know is trying to find a sweet spot for that. But something that you mentioned quite a lot is is a term called Weber and can you can you tell us a little bit about Weber and why you think it's more important than Gauss?

Steeve Bradet 14:18
All right, so I'll try not to go too deep into this one. Just give you the, excuse me, the highlight of it. Weber versus gauss. First of all, gauze means nothing by itself. It's like saying something is blue. What is blue? So if we look at, for example, the river, if I tell you the river has 10 gauss, they'd be like saying the river at this particular point in their eyes, I'd point out my fingers as a 10 PSI as far as pressure goes. So it still doesn't tell you how big the volume of the river is. It doesn't tell you, it could be a trickle or it could be a tsunami coming at you. You have no idea. The Weber does that. The Weber tells you not only the pressure, but it tells you the volume of it. So Weber gives you an idea how many flux lines per square meters are being flowing through this area. That's what Weber is. So if I grab a coil the size of a penny, it's easy to make 200 gauze out of that with very low amount of power. But the Weber of it will be minuscule. There'll be no penetration. So when somebody tells you they have a device that makes a thousand gauze, it still doesn't tell you anything. It doesn't tell you where that gauze goes and how big the coil is and doesn't tell you anything. So I can have a coil with 500 gaussand a coil with 50 gauss. The coil with 50 gauss being bigger, being shunted properly with other coils around and making 10 times the Weber that the more powerful coil gives you. So that's another thing I try to demystify out there. Do not buy a unit solely based on gauze. And there's only one way to make Weber. There's only one way. Lots of copper, lots of coils, and that's it. And that's what you need. I mean, that's the secret right there. Lots of coil, lots of copper.

Andy Smith 16:26 
Yeah, no, definitely. And we're seeing a lot of these devices popping up in the market and they're providing a full body map with their system and they're not necessarily giving you a lot of coils within them systems. So like you say, they're able to advertise, you know, 500 gals or a thousand gals, but they've only got two coils or maybe four coils in their map and in that map their space at the top or in the middle or, you know, so then they're not even kind of like evenly spaced a lot of the time. So it's something again that is causing a bit of confusion in the industry and you don't get that proper spread across the map. So, you know, why is it important to have more and more coils, would you say, in a map and how would you put them in?

Steeve Bradet 17:14 
Yeah, so more coil, like each coil has a specific amount of Weber. And then when you add another coil, you're actually double the Weber, assuming the coils are both the same size. Now another confusion there is out there a lot of the time, if this coil makes 50 gauss, and this coil makes 50 gauss, you don't have 100 gauss, you still only has 50 gauss. That's all there is to it. The Weber doubles, but the gauss doesn't. So a lot of companies like to say, I have 10 coils making five gauss, I have 50 gauss, you don't, you still only have five gauss. They have to be placed in such a way that they shunt each other too. So the magnetic field never crosses each other. There is some people out there on the YouTube that shows up the magnetic field, the flux line crosses each other. That's false, they cannot. So when the two coils are side by side, and then the magnetic field comes, they actually push each other towards the same direction if they're facing the same way. So placing your call in a strategic position on the mat evenly place will help with that. So that's another reason why the one on my video. Now, if you have a coil that is facing opposite of the other one beside, you're now shunting the feeling what I like to call a destructive way. So you're creating a shortcut between the coils, which means the magnetic flux line will go out of one coil and flow into the one next to it. Instead of being pushed to go up, it'll flow into the next one over. So these companies out there that put, let's say 10 coils on their mat or six coils on their mat and they're randomly placed. So you are pretty much, you're still making 50 gauss, you're still having a PMF mat and all that stuff. But the Weber all of a sudden will go to zero, because the fields are shunted. So that's another reason why I like the Weber because the Weber doesn't lie, right?

Andy Smith 19:33 
Yeah, yeah. So and that's and that's where we talk about polarity. So some of our listeners of the podcast will probably remember that we've spoke about polarity quite a lot and we have a north side of a mat and a south side of a mat. So are you saying, Steeve, that if you if you don't put the coils up the correct orientation or that the cop is going around the right way and in a consistent way across the mat, that's going to affect the north and the south.

Steeve Bradet 20:01 
Yeah, you're basically, you're basically destroying the field, like you're not destroying it in the fact that you cancel it, you're destroying the quality of the field, because to give you an idea, it's like a PMF mat is a noisemaking machine. You want your speaker to sound well, to reverberate right, and then have a good echo and all that stuff so you have beautiful music. So look at your mat that way, your coils are your speakers. So if you put a coil north, south, and then north, the sound will go from one speaker into the next one, like this, instead of going out in unison, they flow into each other, literally canceling the effectiveness of a PMF mat. So what you're doing is you're sitting on a mat that has maybe a hundredth of the power that you need in the first place.

Andy Smith 21:00 
No it's really interesting so that's something that if the people that are looking to buy a system we've mentioned before about looking into clarity and and in terms of the effect polarity has on the body in terms of applying the north side and the south side, you know we kind of all on the same page where we don't feel like that has a therapeutic benefit between the two but what we're saying is if you put the coils around the wrong way when you're building systems we're talking about the manufacturers here originally putting systems together, and we're seeing you know manufacturers popping up all over the place at the moment and devices getting cheaper and cheaper and coming from all angles of the world what what I would kind of say to people is check out whether the manufacturers knows what side of their map is north and what side of their map is south and can you switch it in the settings or can you flip it if they don't even if they're not able to give you that answer then you can kind of assume that. They don't know which is north and which is south maybe they're not even putting the coils around the right orientation so something to look out for when people are buying. But last thing last thing while we kind of like on the subject of the coils is does the shape of the coil make any different you know can we put in triangular coils or or you know coils made of different things or can we. You know do it should it always be circular and you know is that something that is affecting the magnetic field as well.

Steeve Bradet 22:29 
Yes. Once again, right? We always want, like everything you do with magnetic field is about manipulating the magnetic field. You can never, or you can cancel it, but that's a story for another day. So manipulation of the field is basically a matter of making it work in a way that you wanted to work for your purpose right now. So if you're building a railgun, the idea is to shoot a projectile down a cannon. So you're going to manipulate the field to achieve that. As solenoid, the goal is to suck in against a spring, a rod, and then release it. You manipulate the field for that. For PMF, we want to manipulate the field to make a smooth and as large of a bubble to incorporate the whole body into it. To achieve that, the do-not-shape coil is the only way to do it. Any other shape will create nothing but a disaster. I've run a gazillion simulation. I've talked to a lot of physicists, and I read a lot of papers and stuff like that, and the do-not-shape coil is the perfect system for this. Now, putting an iron core inside a do-not-shape coil will give you higher gaz number, but will reduce the overall weber. So once again, it's a scan that a lot of companies will do, right? Now, if you try to target something specific, having an iron core will help you focus the beam. This is the analogy that I give to people all the time. I place you in the dark room, and I give you a choice of having either A or B as a light for you to get out of the room. One, you have a 25-watt light bulb, and the other one, I give you a 5,000-watt laser. Well, if you want to get out of the dark room, the laser is useless. The 25-watt light bulb will be much better. That once again, what means nothing, right? It's how much lumen you have, how much weber you have, right? So all of a sudden, the 25-watt light bulb will allow you to go everywhere in the room because that's all you need. So the do-not-shape coil is the perfect reflector for that light to be diffused in the most elegant way as far as PMF user goes. So putting an iron core in it, putting a magnet in it does nothing but also cheating to get bigger numbers. A lot of companies do that, by the way. They claim 500 gauze, but they have a magnet inside. There's other companies that put a copper ball between the bearing, a copper ball between the coil of the PMF mat. So they have four coils, and then there's a full body mat, and they put eight ball bearings in it or something like that, claiming that the ball bearings act as a conductor to diffuse the PMF. Well, first of all, copper is non-ferromagnetic, so it does not interact with the field at all. All it makes is eddy current, which is deadly to PMF because it cancels the field. So yeah, there's so much junk out there.

Andy Smith 25:57 
And we, we've kind of mentioned an acid test before with, with some devices and like tends to, if you get something that is 20 Gauss or above, or if something's advertising a thousand Gauss or something, you know, one of those little magnets at home, you can pop that on, on over one of the coils and, and see what happens. And it should give you a little bit of a reaction, but while we're in, uh, while we're on terms of the intensity, um, cause we've touched on that a couple of times now in this podcast and, um, cause there's a number of different intensity devices on the market and, um, you know, some people that, that the more higher in intensity, the higher the cost tends to go a lot of the time. So do people come to you and say to you, you know, I've seen this, uh, device that gives you a big kick up the ass, you know, and, and, uh, I don't want one of them on the strongest PMF device you can, you can help me make, um, you know, can you, can you help people make low intensity and high intensity?

Steeve Bradet 26:50 
Okay, I know how to build those high intensity PAMF, but I won't teach it, nor will I use one for myself either. They're dangerous to build. So the capacitors and sides are deadly. This is what tasers are made out of. They need a lot of cooling, a lot of maintenance. They need to be wired. If you make a mistake where you wire them, especially if you're using DC capacitors, wire them backward. They become a grenade, they blow up. And it happens really quickly. High intensity PAMF, dabble, and two different categories, first of all. They have the PMF side of them, and they also have the 10 side of them. So they're used on a different modality, and they're really good at decalcification of joint, for example, they can make that happen really quickly. But as far as using them as a T-PAMF, like a transcranial PAMF, which you can do all kinds of brainwave entrainment, you cannot use them for that. So they also need to be used more under guidance. Somebody should know a little more about what they're doing with high intensity PAMF, because you can cause damage, for example, to muscles or brain area. So this high intensity stuff with the flexible coil is a different universal together. They require more maintenance, they're more expensive to buy, they're extremely complicated to build, and dangerous to build. So to answer your question, I won't teach that one to anybody. I mean, I'm building a device right now that's fully adjustable, still low voltage and everything else. And I'm doing this for a research facility. And I will not teach how to do that one, because you're dealing with 120 volt or 230 volts into the box. And as far as I'm concerned, you should be qualified to do that. When dealing with 20 volts, your skin dialectic is good enough to protect you.

Andy Smith 28:57 
Yeah, and it's no joke because, you know, we laugh about it and I've mentioned this to Steeve before and actually I don't think I've ever said this on the podcast, but, um, we, new meds sell a range of low intensity and high intensity devices and we, we, we are kind of the unbiased when it comes to the different devices we offer, um, and I'm no engineer, I'm not alluding anybody to that, um, and we, we had a high intensity device in for repair one time and it was having a spark chamber replacement and I thought, engineers aren't available, I'll give that a crack, it looks pretty easy, opened up the device, touched one of these big white cylinder things, which I had no idea was at the time, now learn it's called a capacitor, um, I don't know how strong this thing was, uh, my engineers have told me and they said to me that I shouldn't be here by now, but, you know, I'm, I'm trying to on just this thing and I touch both ends of it and next thing is I'm in hospital having an ECG on my heart, uh, with, with some very burnt fingers, um, so, you know, it, it honestly is no joke. Um, these devices are used for therapeutic means when they're in one piece, um, but under no illusion do we, we tell anybody to open these things and try and think with them themselves, especially in those high intensity. So, um, Steeve's your man for that. If you, if you want to build your own intensity device and, uh, you know, it will be at a lower intensity. Um, but, but talking about intensity and the Gauss and that sort of thing, there's, there's another modality that we don't mention and, and, and we haven't kind of covered on the podcast yet, but it's something that you bring into this world and something that you think is also worth mentioning. And that's something called slew rate. So, um, can you, can you try and explain to our audience what, what is, what is slew rate?

Steeve Bradet 30:43 
A slew rate is the time it takes for the signal from the controller to go from 0 to 100%. So if you have a sine wave versus a square wave, obviously the sine wave will take longer to get to its peak versus a square wave, which it's not instantaneous, but for all intentant purposes, we'll call it instantaneous because it happens in like millionth of a second. While the sine wave happens over a much longer period, like it could be 100 times longer. So slew rate is important because that's basically your gas per second you're getting. And you only have like a very small amount of time for your body to, through induction, absorb that energy, and you need a fantastically fast slew rate for this to happen. So there's another thing again, if you have a sine wave that makes a hundred gauze, you may only be using half of that. You still make a hundred gauze, but you're only using the first half of it because the rest of the time it takes too long to reach to that and the induction no longer happens. So I know it sounds bizarre and weird because we're talking about something extremely fast and it's like numbers with like six digits that deal with a decimal point. But it really matters. So that's why I always say all the time square wave is king, because it's fast, like fast.

Andy Smith 32:27 
And that's something that I was going to come on to the next is, is, you know, the, the, the wave form, because again, another thing we've touched on quite a lot is the different wave forms people offer. So you've got sinusoidal, you've got square wave, you've got sawtooth, all these different types of waves. And, and the unique thing isn't quite good thing when, when we met and we started talking, because everyone knows from this podcast that I designed my own device and I gave it to some, don't worry, some specialized engineers that put it together. But I told them, you know, what I felt from my customer feedback was the best way, the best intensity, the best frequencies, all these sorts of things. And, and it really matches up with a lot of what you say. So it's, it's really nice. And it was quite a blessing when we met and that you're sort of saying, you know, what you guys have done is actually quite great. But you mentioned square wave and, and square wave is something that a lot of people relate to the NASA studies as well. So, you know, what, why is, why is square wave so much more effective in your eyes in terms of the waveform?

Steeve Bradet 33:30 
So the square wave is, first of all, very clean, and offers a very, like, I like it because it's easy to see, easy to measure, easy to deal with. I'm not saying the other type waves are not, but the square wave is clean. It's a clean wave with no noise, no feedback, no nothing. The slew rate of the square wave is out of this world. I mean, it's as fast as it gets. And remember, guys, induction only happens when there's a change, right? So when you get that change to go from 0 to 5, that time right there that it takes to go from 1 to 5, that's the only time there's induction. It doesn't matter how long you stay on at 5 volts. There's no more induction, right? And then this isn't everything I tried to demystify, and we didn't talk about that the first time we did this podcast, and I was like, oh, man, we should have brought that up. So there it is.

Andy Smith 34:36 
Here we go. It's golden opportunity. It's meant to happen. Yeah.

Steeve Bradet 34:39 
Um, I'm gonna, this is gonna blow people's mind. Okay. When we turn the power on, so we have a vault being flown through the coil. Um, we create a north, for example, on the coil, right? Now it stays on. Well, if you put your meter on top, you'll still see you're making north because you know, that's, it's on the magnetic field is on north. Even though there's nothing happening in your body anymore, right? The field's still there, but there's no change in magnetic field. Therefore there's no more induction. Then it goes off. Well, when it goes off, there's a change in magnetic field again. And at that time, and I'm not talking about flying back voltage guys here. I'm talking about literally the magnetic field changes polarity. And I've proven that with my oscilloscope and measuring equipment. So what I'm saying here is there is no such thing as a unipolar square wave PMF map. It's always bipolar and a story. You cannot have a north side of a magnet without having a south side of a magnet. Magnetic fields of bipolar, 100% of the time, and I've not been able to prove that law wrong yet. I'm trying my best, but I wasn't, I can't. So when we create a magnetic field and we create a magnetic field north, because we place all our coil the same way facing up. So when it turns on, it goes north. When it turns off, you're creating a magnetic field south. So the companies out there that talk about unipolar and bipolar, you need to watch my video about the NASA waveform and how it's being transferred and the whole thing, and then I go through the process, but that is groundbreaking. I mean, like I want, I want to be proven wrong. So if somebody is listening right now as a physicist or somebody loves science and I want to get into a discussion with me, I love it. I ran it by a couple of physicists so far and it's, it's, I've held my ground. So, um, and science is all about being wrong. I mean, if you're right, you're not accomplishing nothing. So you're always trying to prove yourself wrong, right? So cannot take it personally. It's not about that. So square wave is king. You have a really strong signal up fast slew rate. And then when it goes off, you get the same thing, a super fast slew rate, lots of induction. You get yourself a North and a South pole and then boom, you got it. Now, if you do create a bipolar, um, a biphasic, uh, square wave, then you're just making more North South, uh, pole. And I go through that in my video on my NASA waveform one.

Andy Smith 37:32 
We always encourage people during the podcast to like leave comments down below like so Steeve was just mentioning You know if anyone wants to challenge any of this or asking questions that sort of thing So please do leave those comments. We'll get back to them. So But coming on to you know throughout this journey. You've you've actually built your own controller as well called the ZK controller and that's you know quite a unique animal and that gives the user the ability to change a lot of features on the device, so Whereas we you know, we're not when I design celerate that there seems to be two types of Users of PMF and I think we both agree on this is kind of like the user that just wants to go Right. I just want to buy a PMF device and I want to use it daily and I don't need to know all the ins and outs I just want a good one So that's kind of the route I went down which was making something simple easy to use Give them the range of different frequencies the right time of day So right intensities and set up like the thing that will come into later like the duty cycle the slew rates and all these sorts of things as to what I felt they should be You know best from you know customer feedback and all this sort of thing and we've been seeing some great results with that one whereas Steeve said K controller is this other type of user which Really wants to tinker and really wants to be able to change things like The you know almost like the the intensities of frequencies the duty slew rate So duty cycle something else which we've we've seen on another device that actually we offer a PMF at new meds. Sorry It's it's something that Again, we haven't mentioned on the PMF podcast very often But I'll let you introduce duty cycle as well as another modality and just tell the audience a little bit about duty cycle. What? What that has to play in PMFs? Yes

Steeve Bradet 39:19 
Well, I mean, the term biohackers come to mind right away. I mean, as soon as we talk about PMF and users of PMF, we automatically fall in categories of biohackers, which is a good thing, by the way. Like I know the word hacker sometimes can have a negative feeling to it, but it's a good thing in this case. So the duty cycle, for example, is just the length of time that the signal stays on. And like I previously said, it doesn't do anything if it's on for 10 minutes or one second. I mean, the change in the slew rate is all that matters. So adjusting the duty cycle literally just creates heat. That's the sole purpose of duty cycle, making heat. So us in Canada, we like to be able to, in the cold day of winter, you just turn the mat on, you increase the duty cycle to, let's say, 20 percent, and the mat will make a little bit of heat and it feels good. Technically speaking, 0.01 percent duty cycle is basically the optimum to get everything the PMF has to offer. So you can build a medical device that works on the watch battery that you would place under a cast to heal the fracture in three weeks versus six. And you could use a micropulse and have the battery last for a month running 24-7 by micropulsing. So duty cycle has many applications that way. And while the biohacking community likes to play around, so giving them the option to change the duty cycle is a great thing. And then you get all kinds of feedback. That comes at a cost though, because if you increase the duty cycle too much, you can literally burn yourself because it's like a light bulb, right? It gets really hot. And you also not really, you can actually turn off the benefit of the PMF. So.

Andy Smith 41:31 
Yeah, so it's another important modality when it comes to building PMFs. And this again, you know, people don't understand that these manufacturers really need to know what they're doing when it comes to PMF, because at the end of the day, the technology itself is quite simple. It's putting a bit of charge into a copper coil at different frequencies. Um, but as we know, there's so, so much more that goes into it. Um, and we mentioned the term biohacker there, so just for our listeners, you know, uh, hopefully most of them are or coin themselves as biohackers. But, um, for those of you that have never heard of it, because only maybe a year ago, I hadn't heard of that term, but, uh, it's more about those that are kind of like less reliant on maybe the medical, um, stream in life, you know, the, the everything that's, um, improved with farmers, these sorts of things, medications, people that kind of tend to steer a little bit more clear on that and go more for the, um, alternative wellness, should we say, and, um, you know, what we're trying to find now is, is, is stuff that's really helping people. So it's great. Um, we'll come back to your Z K controller cause that really interests me. Um, and you've, you've demoed the heads of me before and it looks absolutely great. Um, there's something a little bit more unique about your device that we wanted to touch on because, uh, most PMF devices, they use super low frequencies. And we talk about like the earth's frequency being eight point, uh, 7.8 Hertz, the Schumann resonance and all that sort of thing. A lot of PMF devices will only go up to 30 Hertz or a thousand Hertz, a hundred Hertz, sorry. Uh, but your Z K controller has the ability to go up to a thousand Hertz. Um, what, why did you put that in there?

Steeve Bradet 43:09 
When I designed the program, I wanted to give the community, the biohiking community, the ability and the researcher, because I deal a lot with researchers and doctors too, I wanted them to have the ability to have a range of frequencies that they wanted. The 1000 hertz came from, I was reading a study where it's a really well known fact now that there's a really strong correlation between a slight blame a brain inflammation and depression and anxiety and they found that PMF when exposed the proper PMF exposed to the brain was reducing the inflammation and getting people out of their spunk. So I got into this rabbit hole and I was reading about it and I came across this research that they took people that are not responding well to medicine for depression and they exposed them 20 minutes a day for a few weeks to a 1000 hertz at a fairly low gauze weber system and it's not like it was a tremendous amount. I think it was even a hundred gauze or fifty gauze, I can't remember on top of my head. But what really astonished me was the result they got. It was amazing. They turned these people around and these people were expressing themselves and saying that I feel better. One lady even said it's like I used to see the world in black and white, I see it in color. I'm by myself in my lab or in my dungeon and I'm reading this, I'm putting my hand up as if somebody is gonna pay yes Steeve you have a question and I'm like okay you're taking the people that are the most difficult to help with depression, people that do not respond to medication at all. You expose them to this 1000 hertz PMF system and you have a tremendous success. Why don't we start there first before giving medicine freely? Why don't we see if we can help people with no side effect, no addiction, something that you can do at home, something you buy once and or you just get treated for a few weeks and it helps you get out of it. Why don't we start there? So that got me going and read and I found like a lot of evidence all over the world for people that did research with very small pools of people. Those research usually is not well-founded because there's no money in it and they're all getting the same results. So I decided to allow my next in my programmable touchscreen system to have a thousand hertz and well we saw major like really good success with it. I currently as we speak I have a group of people in Europe that are doing like this guy is finishing his doctorate in psychology and he's writing his paper on this and he's doing those tests himself. I've seen it personally too where it helped people and I've got many instants of people that claim that it helped them quite a bit too. So the thousand hertz is a mystical being. I always tell people frequency does not matter as much below the shoulder as it does above the shoulder. The brain is a squad the machine. Same thing with Alzheimer, the brain plaque you know if your brain vibrates between 55 and 85 Hertz, half a dozen time a day, you'll clean the brain plaque which is a leading cause for dementia and Parkinson's and everything. So yeah I can go on like this forever.

Andy Smith 47:12 
Yeah, and on that point, to be honest, you know, Steeve, we could be talking for hours and we could, we could drag this podcast out quite a lot. And but, you know, we'll have to, we'll have to cut it off at this point, but it's, you know, we'd, we'd love to get you back on and, and like we've been saying to people, you know, for a third time, sorry, but we'll get you back on and we want to get people to leave questions after this. Um, and, you know, being involved in PMF, like you said yourself, um, it's, it's, it's really nice and it's motivational for ourselves, not just for, you know, trying to run businesses and things like that, but it's, it's seeing the results that it has for people. And you mentioned that with the, the whole thousand Hertz it's, you know, and, and myself running a PMF business now for nearly 10 years, seeing the results it has for people. And, and it's become quite a passion. It's become quite a passion for yourself. And that's really amazing to see. Um, so if anyone listening, you know, if they want to leave some comments, um, that's absolutely fine. We'll try and get back to them. We'll try and get Steeve back for a third time and get him on the podcast and answer some of those questions. Um, if, if you're listening to all these different platforms, if you could give us a five star review, or if you can leave some comments, that'd be great. Um, Steeve, if people want to find you, if people want to watch their videos, that sort of thing, where, you know, where do they need to start?

Steeve Bradet 48:32 
Um, you can go on YouTube and just, uh, type in my name, Steeve with double E S T E E V E. Thank you, my parents. Um, you can type that like PMF with Steeve, uh, on Patreon is the same thing. Just go to the Patreon platform and then just type in PMF with Steeve. And I'm the only one spelling my name this way and with the word PMF in it. So you'll find me it's quite easy.

Andy Smith 48:57 
Thank you again, Steeve, and thanks for coming on and re-recording this. And I think you'll agree we definitely covered some more ground that time. So thanks again, and we'll let you enjoy the rest of your day now.

Steeve Bradet 49:09 
Thank you. Talk to you soon.

Andy Smith 49:10 
Cheers.