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A quick disclaimer before we begin. The PEMF podcast does not contain any medical advice. And the content provided is for informational purposes only. If you have any health concerns, please visit a healthcare professional. Welcome back to the PEMF Podcast. Today, we're talking about all things hydrogen. The smallest, lightest and most abundant element in the universe. It makes up about 75% of all normal matter, meaning it's basically everywhere, including inside of us. But here's the interesting part, despite being all around us, most of us aren't getting enough hydrogen into our bodies in a usable way. And that's where today's guest comes in. We're joined by Paul Bereto, one of the leading experts in molecular hydrogen and founder of Echo Technologies. He spent over 15 years studying how hydrogen gas can help reduce oxidative stress, support cellular balance and influence overall energy production. So welcome to the podcast, Paul.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 02:22 
Thank you.

Andy Smith 02:22 
And this is a long time coming for me because, you know, we go to a lot of exhibitions and different shows and the hydrogen buzz is in like full swing. And you've got people selling bottles, you've got tablets, you've got these reverse osmosis devices, you've got inhalation. So there's so many ways in which you can get hydrogen into the body. And for me, I'm kind of like, what is so good about hydrogen? So let's break it down in this episode. And let's start with a bit of a quick fire, if you don't mind. Yeah. So I'll ask you a couple of questions, just a couple of word answers. And then if you really, we'll break down those answers in the rest of the episode. So don't worry about giving us like a full response to each one.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 03:07 
Sounds good.

Andy Smith 03:07 
Cool. Okay. So starting with hydrogen tablets or hydrogen water bottle? Hydrogen water bottle. When is the best time to drink hydrogen water?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 03:17 
Anytime really, but first thing in the morning is really good to wake up the system and just get to after a nice Quality sleep. It's really good to get your whole system going

Andy Smith 03:27 
What's a myth about hydrogen water that you wish would disappear?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 03:30 
People ask all the time isn't hydrogen already in water you know the answer is no of course It's a liquid not a gas, but yeah that one with that one be great?

Andy Smith 03:39 
And what's your non-negotiable daily habit?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 03:44 
Giving gratitude and prayer.

Andy Smith 03:47 
Yeah one underrated recovery tool that more people should try?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 03:50 
Forgiveness

Andy Smith 03:51 
And what's one piece of advice you'd give your younger self about health?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 03:55 
Do exactly what you already did yeah do it do it again just you know you always wish you have the wisdom you had 20 you know what you had today 20 years ago would definitely speed up the process and I guess the one piece I would give myself is don't be so concerned with the small stuff you know when you're young all these things seem to matter so much and seem to be so incredibly important and as you get wiser and older you just understand just chill a little bit you know it's all good it's all good.

Andy Smith 04:39 
Now what's one thing that instantly boosts your energy?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 04:41 
uh hearing good news you know anytime you hear good news it's gonna boost your energy levels it's going to increase you you know having a wonderful time with my wife really does you know

Andy Smith 04:55 
Yeah. And finish this sentence, health is...

Dr. Paul Barattiero 04:58 
What you make it.

Andy Smith 04:59 
Good. Cool. That's done. That's done for the quick fire.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 05:03 
All right.

Andy Smith 05:04 
So let's talk about hydrogen. You know, for me then, what are the main overall benefits of someone that might want to be drinking hydrogen infused water? So kind of, you know, first of all, what is hydrogen? Why do we need it? And why should we be drinking water with hydrogen infused air?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 05:21 
Great question. So to understand that we need to first of all understand understand foundationally Our bodies are designed to make hydrogen gas. It is so critical to the proper function of our bodies that The the grand engineer the creator whatever people want to call God or something like that put into our bodies a Hydrogen generator. That's how critical Hydrogen is for every single thing our body will do. So 200 years ago, we wouldn't have needed to drink hydrogen water We were making it 10 to 12 liters a day through normal digestion or fermentation of food today we have in in the US 90% gut issues over in UK where you are you're like 40 and and so with the large number of people that have dysfunctioning guts you can't or you lose the ability to produce hydrogen the way you're supposed to and So you have to supplement hydrogen if you don't supplement hydrogen, you're gonna have higher oxidation which is going to turn into oxidative stress and then it's going to turn into chronic inflammation and the combination of oxidative stress and chronic inflammation is where disease comes from so Gut issues create disease models hydrogen supplementation Mimics what the body would naturally do in producing hydrogen on its own to reduce oxidation and to keep Inflammation in a normal range. So as we know oxidation is normal, but we need to keep it in a normal range We don't want oxidative stress We also don't want chronic inflammation We want inflammation if we hit our hand on something or we the body can respond that way But we don't want we don't want chronic inflammation This is where the problem is. So hydrogen regulates all that

Andy Smith 07:31 
No, good. And are there people generally that you think would benefit more from hydrogen enthused water than others? So is, you know, is it really, really important for a certain demographic to be using hydrogen water or is it just everybody?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 07:46 
Well, we have to understand you need hydrogen on a daily basis. Hydrogen is a regulator. It's a signal modulator. It causes everything to do well. You can't even make stomach acid without hydrogen gas, right? So everything requires hydrogen, brain function, mitochondria function. It is needed everywhere. So the question of is hydrogen water different? Well, the water part is just a vehicle. Water is a vehicle to get the gas into the body. So you need hydrogen gas every day. The water you choose to put in your body has a lot to do with how you feel because a lot of people drink water with contaminants. And so they're forcing their body to filter all that out after it's already inside the body. So I've said for years, don't be a filter by a filter and and get this contaminants out of the water before you ingest it. So I would say. If you drink hydrogen water the way I, Dr. Paul Baratero, tell you to drink water, that would be pure water with hydrogen gas. Yes, that would be better water than drinking other waters that you typically are drinking that are not pure and don't have hydrogen gas in them.

Andy Smith 09:09 
OK, cool. And you mentioned about like producing hydrogen gas within our body. Are there ways like we can do is there things we can do to naturally produce more hydrogen within the body?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 09:21 
Yes, we can have our gut working properly. You know, here's the way we want to understand. A lot of people are confused about what good issues mean. There's everyone in their mother is talking about gut issues and they use terminology like leaky gut and I don't really understand that terminology because, you know, the intestinal tract is an open system. Like I don't know what they're thinking would be leaking out, you know, people aren't walking around with fecal matter leaking out of them or, well, most people aren't. And so the reality is gut issues are really bacterial issues. And so when we have a gut issue, it means the terrain in the biome from an electrical potential is off and therefore the bacteria that we would want into our intestinal tract is not there because we have a positive electrical potential, which will support aerobic bacteria, which we should only have 1 to 4% of our total bacteria in the gut should be aerobic, but 96 to 99% should be anaerobic. The problem is though, antibiotics, pesticides, heavy metals, all these things disturb or disrupt the electrical potential in the environment. And so therefore the correct bacteria, the beneficial bacteria, which would be anaerobic, don't have a place to live. And so we aren't able to process fiber and fats that would easily turn into hydrogen. So that's what our diet should consist of is fiber, beneficial fiber, water soluble fiber, what's called, and then also short chain and medium chain fatty acids. Those foods would be naturally occurring. That would be appropriate. What most people have is aerobic bacteria. So they have sugar and carb cravings and anxiety and depression. That's going to be what happens when you have more aerobic bacteria than you should or a lot of aerobic bacteria. So really we need to reset our gut. But we need to get our gut healthy. This will increase immune function. This will cause our body to function the way we're supposed to. This will change our emotional behavior, our brain function more than anything else we can do. People spend a lot of time taking things through their mouth that are supposed to change pathways, regulate behaviors. If people would understand that if they just fix their gut, it would fix them 90 percent and then figure out what that 10 percent is additional that they need to work on. And okay, maybe you do need to take a couple of things to regulate some things that you're not doing after you fixed yourself. But most people's problems are gut issues. They're not everything else. They're a cascade of problems that come from having a dysfunction in gut or, in other words, fermentation is not happening correctly in the gut when they're digesting. And so they don't create the proper gases. They don't create all the things that are needed. You would create hydrogen naturally in the gut. And then you have a lot of bacteria like hydrogen tropes, for example, that take in that hydrogen and then do all kinds of things that they do. And so this is all very natural. It's very natural, but gut dysfunction is not natural. And so we're basically in trouble on a daily basis until we fix our gut. And the good news is people drinking three to six of these per day, they can fix their gut in two weeks. We can take people with gluten and dairy intolerance. We can take people that have really dysfunctioning guts and in two weeks have them functioning much better. And they're going to say, holy cow, this is like a different life. I feel so different. And that's what brings me happiness.

Andy Smith 13:30 
No, that's incredible and it's a great answer because, you know, a lot of problems and we're starting to understand how a lot of them are stemming from the gut now. You mentioned in there a bit earlier about oxidative stress and free radicals and that's something that I wanted to touch on because there's an overlap here with PEMF, you know, PEMF is shown in many studies to reduce oxidative stress, but before you have oxidative stress, you have free radicals. So can you just for our audience, can you explain, you know, what are free radicals and why are these bad?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 14:01 
Let's just talk about radicals. Free radicals is an interesting one. But radicals, there are wonderful radicals and there are harmful radicals. Most radicals in the body have a physiological role. And so, unfortunately, people think that radicals are all bad and they create problems. Actually, you and I are alive because of radicals. We have to have, it's like oxidation, we have to have oxidation, we have to have radicals to be able to live. We don't want oxidative stress and we don't want cytotoxic oxygen radicals. Now, cytotoxic simply means cell damaging. So there are a handful of radicals that are what's called ROS, reactive oxygen species like hydroxyl radicals, for example, are the most damaging radical in the human body. Typically, they will get into the mitochondria respiratory chain and they will disrupt energy production in the body. This is why people, carb and sugar load, especially athletes that have low mitochondrial function, they got to press the turbo button because they're demanding their body perform like a machine. And so they have to have sugar and carb load. Well, that's just going to create more ROS, it's going to create more hydroxyl radicals. So hydrogen comes in there and through enzyme reactions and other things going on that we don't have to get into today. It stops hydroxyl radical production so that your mitochondria can produce the pounds of ATP that you need or that you're demanding your body utilize. And so it's really beautiful when we talk about ROS scavenging, what's called an ROS scavenger. Hydrogen is one of the best and the most natural ROS scavenger. So when we take something like a hydroxyl radical, which is OH or HO, and we add another H to it, what do we create? Water, you know, isn't that interesting that you can take a hydroxyl radical? Now, is that what's happening in the body? Of course not. That'll happen in a peachy dish, but it won't happen in the body. What's really happening, as I said earlier, is enzyme reactions and you're utilizing hydroxyls and you're they're turning into other things instead of staying hydroxyl radical to disrupt the energy production chain. So all of these things would happen naturally if when there's additional or excess hydrogen gas in the body. And so it's really important that we have hydrogen gas. It's really important that we produce hydrogen gas. So that gets into the body are most of our body is carbon hydrogen chains. If we really look at our body, hydrogen is a part of everything.

Andy Smith 17:10 
I don't know if you mentioned it if it's just hydrogen or is there ways we can control how many negative or extra free radicals are the body actually produces.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 17:20 
Okay, well, radicals are produced by normal function of body, breathing, right, living this life, walking around the planet, going to the mall, whatever people do, you're creating radicals. That's what happens in a normal life cycle of the human body. The problem is when our antioxidant system can't keep up. So we are producing radicals all the time and then our body is converting them into wonderful things and, you know, the antioxidant system in our body is functioning the way it's supposed to. The problem is when our immune function and our antioxidant system is not working properly because our intestinal tract is not the proper terrain in the biome. So really, our intestinal tract is an electrical situation. So when we say biome or terrain, largely it's electrical and it's called, you know, you have a negative electrical potential or a positive electrical potential. And those bacteria like a specific bacterial, those bacteria, anaerobic or aerobic, like a specific negative electrical potential or positive electrical potential. And whatever you give to the environment is what's going to live there. And so the reason why the water helps and the reason why echo water helps so much to change the biome or the terrain is when the water is finished being processed, it's a negative 400, 500, 600 millivolts of electrical potential. That is going to go right into the tissue of the intestinal tract and therefore establish or reestablish the terrain that anaerobic microflora want. And because 96 to 99 percent of the bacteria in our intestinal tract should be anaerobic, you've just restored your gut function in two weeks and you've just restored all normal function in the human body. And do you think you're going to feel that? Of course you're going to feel that. You're going to have immune function increase probably by 50 percent, 70 percent. You're going to have energy levels. You're going to, you know, so many things. You're going to offload the need to constantly be detoxifying and which makes sleep a huge burden. I mean, the cascading issues that occur from all of that are significant. And when I say significant, that means you're going to feel amazing and feel better.

Andy Smith 19:54 
And you mentioned oxidative stress a couple of times because that's something that is like a big term in PEMF therapy as well. So what exactly is oxidative stress and what happens when that oxidative stress combines with inflammation?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 20:07 
Well, inflammation is really a result of oxidative stress. So, and it's a body's response to try and fix problems. Oxidative stress is when radicals, like we talked about, there are a handful of radicals that are damaging to cell function. And when our body doesn't neutralize those, then they cause problems or wreak havoc. So, in a very simple way, that's what oxidative stress is. Oxidation, which is critical for life, is when, you know, you've got an opposite effect in the body and that's critical. The body needs this. In other words, oxygen is an oxidizer. Hydrogen is a reducer. Together they create homeostasis. So we really need oxidation and reduction. These are two very important powers in the body to where if we have a balanced, a balance of oxidation and reduction, we have homeostasis and we're functioning beautifully. The problem really is if we have too much reduction or too much oxidation, this is when we have problems. So really balances are, is what we want to achieve. And, and that's, I would say that's another one of those lessons for my 20 year ago person is balance. Don't go too crazy on either side. Balance in the middle is usually where the beauty of life is, but you have to learn where that balance is by understanding the boundaries of the two ends, right? Well, the body wants to be balanced. The body is fighting constantly to be balanced and oxidative stress is definitely not balanced. It's way the other side, but we also don't want to do too many reductive things because then it brings us to the other side. So for example, what's called antioxidants, right? We have this term, what is an antioxidant? Well, an antioxidant is usually what people will take thinking they're helping free radicals or radicals in general. Well, the problem is an ant, something that's a true antioxidant or a typical antioxidant is going to be an electron donor. So because it donates an electron, it's going to complete a free radical, right? A free radical because it's a free radical cause it's needing an electron. So once a antioxidant gives that electron over, it becomes a pro-oxidant now. And so the answer is not just taking more and more antioxidants because then we create cancer, right? You, you can't just take more and more antioxidants. It's not good for you because now you have more and more pro-oxidants and so you're creating the problem. The reason why hydrogen is so incredible is because it is a selective antioxidant. It doesn't function like a typical antioxidant. It doesn't have an extra electron. It's neutral. So this is why I spend a lot of time talking about the fact that it is a selective antioxidant and it is a signal modulator. Yes, the effects are an antioxidant effect in the body, but it is not a traditional antioxidant. It doesn't have an extra electron to donate. That's what makes hydrogen so beautiful. That's why you have all 1600 studies now really largely in the last 12, 13 years. And basically since 2009, we now have 1600 studies. The reason everyone got excited was because Nature Medicine published a study showing that it was a selective antioxidant and that primarily it reduced the hydroxyl radical. That was one of its major targets, which is the most cell damaging radical in the human body. And so again, everyone was like, whoa, this is incredible. And because it's selective, it does no harm. You know, antioxidants do what they do. They take out positive things and negative things in the body. Hydrogen doesn't do that. Hydrogen is selective. It only goes after the things that are causing problems. Does that help?

Andy Smith 24:42 
No, it was a great answer. So let's talk about how we get hydrogen, you know, in into the body. And, you know, I've got one of the Echo water bottles here. Great, you know, feels looks cool. You know, we've seen Gary Brecka using these in the past and, you know, all sorts of, and for me, it's, it's been a good to use product. Yeah, easy. So this is all right. Yeah, so on. So, you know, there's all these different ways and, you know, but hydrogen infused water seems to be probably the most popular option. I know you get this question quite a lot. But for anyone who doesn't know, so let's, let's

Dr. Paul Barattiero 25:23 
Let's talk about everything is hydrogen water, even tablets are hydrogen water. So tablets don't do anything sitting on a counter, you got to put them in water, right? So you're converting that water. So really, it's all either hydrogen water or inhalation. That's what we really need to do to break this down for people. Tablets are not a separate thing unto themselves. It is just another way to convert traditional water into hydrogen water. Does that make sense?

Andy Smith 25:54 
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 25:55 
So now, what I classify it because hydrogen water is beneficial to the body. FDA and the United States gave that, you know, over 15 years ago that it's what's considered generally recognized as safe or grass, which is generally recognized as safe. Now, when it comes to hydrogen water, that means, what does that really mean? It means you have hydrogen gas dissolved into H2O water that's a liquid. And so that's all it means. It's not becoming another molecule, just like a person getting in a car doesn't become part of the car. You're just riding along and then you get out when you get to your destination. The same is true for hydrogen gas. It's riding along with the water. And when you drink it like you just did, all that hydrogen goes into your body to modulate and signal different things that will happen. And now, within three or four minutes, you're going to have ghrelin secretions going to your hippocampus, your hypothalamus, and your brainstem to change your cognitive function. You might feel more clear. You might feel more focused. You might feel balance in your brain. That's because of ghrelin secretions, not because striacial hydrogen went up to your brain. It's because hydrogen told ghrelin, hey, get up there, buddy. Get to work. And that's how hydrogen works. It's a signal modulator. Now, keep in mind, the tablets are all made really by one person in Canada and it's all just private label. There's nothing special about any of the tablets. They do make hydrogen water. Absolutely, they do. They are just the absolute most expensive way to get hydrogen water. And that's the negative and, of course, the taste. Some people love chalk and suck on it all day long because they love that flavor for some other people don't like chalk or magnesium. And so when you have the tablets, you have a magnesium taste. Now, I believe that Gary has added raspberry flavor, which gives it a slight better taste than the magnesium chalk taste. So that's nice, right? You have a better taste. Here's where the real problem is. For one tablet is $1 and they all say that, right? They're like, hey, for a dollar a day. And then if you pay attention, three or four minutes later, they're like, you know, and you might want to take two or three a day because that might be great for you. Now, that's $3 a day. That's a lot of money.

Andy Smith 28:39 
And you said to me earlier about doing, what, five, six of these a day. Wasn't it? You know, from your water bottles.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 28:46 
Yeah. And I'm saying do three to six. So the difference is if you're a single person, maybe you want to spend three to six dollars a day to get hydrogen. But what if you're a husband or a father and you actually like your wife and your family? Like it's a new concept you should try, but let's say you like your family and you want to give them that. What are you now? Twelve dollars a day? You know, fifteen dollars a day to have your family feeling good? Like it just doesn't make any sense. Like period, it doesn't make sense unless you're purely wanting to make money in your company to sell tablets. That's what you're going to do. You're going to sell tablets and go, man, I'm making so much money. This is fifteen cents a day, no matter how many times you use it, because all I'm doing is taking the two hundred ninety nine dollars and dividing it by 60 months. So when you write, you have five years and you figure out what's the daily cost, it's fifteen cents. Whether you use it one time or 20 times a day, it doesn't matter. Your cost is captive. So is this your only water source? Is this the product that should be the only thing you drink? Well, it can be, but we also make machines that make a quarter gallon a minute of water and filter your water. So you could connect it to a municipal water or tap water and it'll take all the contaminants out and then it'll put hydrogen in and then you drink that. Now your whole family has a machine in your home that will last the rest of your life, filtering water and you don't need to buy bottle water and pollute the world with plastic or anything else. And you now have a renewable resource every day coming into your house. It's called water and you drink it and your family can drink it as often as you want. You can make your soups, you can make your food, you can make your protein drinks, you can do whatever you want with the water and that's going to be far less. So the only beef I have with tablets is the cost and the fact that you got to pay for the rest of your life.

Andy Smith 30:59 
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Andy Smith 31:34 
That's a good point you made actually about also taking the contaminants out because when you look online, when you put hydrogen infused water in, you get all these different options and one of them are these desktop units and they can be from $1,000 up to five, $6,000 a year. So for me, looking at it from the outside, doing some research originally, I'm thinking, you got these bottles for a couple of hundred dollars and you've got the desktop units, like why would I go to that expense? But what you were saying there is that you're also filtering and treating the water. So these bottles are great for putting in hydrogen but they're only also as good as the water you put it into them. So you also, I assume need to be quite considerate of what you're filling it up with. And that justifies the additional cost. Only if you want to feel good. Yeah, exactly.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 32:28 
So this is the issue. You know, people say, what should I put in there? Water is a funny thing. You know, if I've been in the industry for 20 plus years, right. And I echo as a company as a result of me healing my wife in 2005. And it began my journey in the water space for using water as a healing modality. I never had any problems. I've still never had diseases. I've still never had any issues in my life. I'm very lucky. But my wife, who is the love of my life and my queen, my everything has been sick. She was sick for the first 10 years of our marriage. We've been married 31 years now, but she's been sick. And so I wanted to help her and I helped her with hydrogen water. And then, of course, there was additional things that we always did. Now, what that's how I was introduced 20 years ago and echo is 16 years old. Hydrogen is new for most people listening to this podcast and hydrogen in general really has been known wide in the last three and a half years when Joe Rogan talked about echo water because Gary Brecka went on Joe Rogan's podcast. And I am forever grateful for, for Gary. I've known Gary for seven years and he's been promoting echo for seven years. And he, he, he doesn't talk negative about it. He loves it. Even though he's selling the tablets with his son Cole, he does still talk about the fact that echo water is great. But I will have to say that when he went on Joe Rogan and talked about echo the go plus at that time, it was the go plus bottle, which was our second bottle that we pretty, we had a bottle way back 11 years ago and, and we had a second one, which was the go plus. And now this echo flask is our third generation of portable hydrogen products. When Joe talked about hydrogen water and Gary was on there with him, all of a sudden it opened up the floodgates from China for them to create products that looked similar to our go plus on screen. And they flooded the market with scam products. And what I mean by that is 99% of the hydrogen water bottles or the things that are being sold on Alibaba, Amazon, Timu, whatever, all these sites that are connecting Chinese manufacturers to Americans and everyone else, 99% of these products are not hydrogen products, even though they're selling them as a hydrogen bottle, most all of them, if they're less than 150 to $200, they are not a legitimate hydrogen product. They, and you can't just take the price because now they're getting smart and marking up bottles that aren't hydrogen for more because then people think, oh, this must be legitimate. What they are is their traditional electrolysis bottles. Well, if we understand electrolysis hydro electrolysis makes hypochlorous acid, if you have a bottle and you put water in it that has minerals, for example, which they will tell you have to with their product, you don't with ours, but you do with theirs, you're now going to have chlorine being produced. But because they see bubbles, you know, if I process my bottle and it shows bubbles and they process theirs and it shows bubbles, people think it's the same thing. But they don't understand which bubbles they are. It could be chlorine gas. It can be all kinds of things. Oxygen. When we're processing the water, the huge difference here. You can see bubbles, right? Well, if my camera would focus here, you can see all the bubbles, see them all. But what you don't know is that blue light right there. Is where O2, O3 and Cl2 comes out in our products. With the other products on the market, there is not that filter. There is not that system that is removing the oxygen, the ozone and the chlorine. And so all of that's going into your bottle. And so at the end of the day, you don't know what you're actually drinking. You are definitely drinking ozone and chlorine and you can test it with something like this. So this is a chlorine reagent.

Andy Smith 37:11 
You got a little way of testing it, that's good.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 37:13 
Yeah, so you can test the chlorine content, and it shocks people when they come to our booth and they're like, oh, look at my bottle. And I'm like, that makes chlorine. And they're like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, we'll pour some water over here in a cup and I'll show you and it'll turn yellow immediately and then I'll pour my water and it'll be clear. And they'll go, what the heck? And I'll say, well, you bought a chlorine maker. You didn't actually buy a hydrogen maker. You bought a chlorine maker. So what I'm hoping we expose, I don't want people to be scammed. I don't want people drinking water with chlorine or hypochlorous acid or ozone. I don't want people buying stuff that tastes like swamp water when they process it. I want them getting pure hydrogen gas. That's all that's going in here. When you look at this and all those bubbles coming in, it is purely hydrogen. Yeah, yeah. And that's what people need to know the difference. And yes, our bottle is a premium bottle because the technology is premium. We have so many patents on this. We learned after Joe Rogan talked about our bottle and everyone tried to copy it and we then made the flask and patented it so that people can't just make something that looks similar. So that's what I want people to understand is please buy a legitimate product. It will help you, but if you buy the cheap stuff, it's not gonna help you. You might get some benefit, but most of these bottles don't actually produce much hydrogen, very little if they produce any. And so it's really a bad thing for your body.

Andy Smith 38:50 
No, it's such an important point because, you know, we see exactly the same problem happening in the PEMF industry and it's a real battle that we're fighting at the moment because, you know, you and I have been in our respected industries for about the same time now, like 15 years, I've been in now 13 years. And, you know, I've come up seeing all these great PEMF devices and all the benefits they're doing, they're coming out of Germany, they're coming out of all these good, legitimate, you know, places where people are putting a lot of effort into, you know, and it took me six years to develop the CELLER8product and, you know, the amount of testing and evidence we had to provide and looking at the magnetic fields and how the influence of cells in the body, all these different things, you know, and the minute PEMF, you know, it started to become understood and a bit of a buzzword. And now people start using mats in all different areas. And again, you know, Joe Rogan and some other people, Gary Brecka started talking about PEMF. All of a sudden, the market started getting flooded with this cheap product, you know, and unfortunately, blame China for it all. But a lot of it is coming out of China. And it's and it's, you know, they're just they're putting in coils on, you know, they create a magnetic field, but they're, you know, they create dirty electricity. We did some testing recently with actually some big brands selling these products in the UK. And, you know, we were finding a lot of dirty electricity coming from them, a lot of radiation coming from them. So it's it's not even that people are not getting what they're paying for, like in your instance, people aren't getting hydrogen water. They're getting the opposite. They're getting radiation or they're getting chlorine. So it's it's a worrying time for a lot of people. And, you know, you've got to kind of I think the wellness industry does need a bit of you know, it needs like medical grading as such or something just to clean it up. You know, it's it's it's.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 40:46 
There's so many scammers in our industry.

Andy Smith 40:48 
I know and it's, you know, it's a shame to see because a lot of these people are, you know, genuine people with these brands that they're there, but they're their only interest is money, they're only, you know, motivation is money and they won't even get the time to test the products that are selling that they're buying in, they're putting their label on and all that sort of thing. So, you know, a lot of people when you say about a PEMF mat now, you know, they show you a picture of this Alibaba mat and it's like, no, that's not a PEMF mat. It's, but it's almost becoming the norm, you know, with these multi-therapy things with the heating elements, with these little Christmas tree lights, red lights in them.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 41:24 
Yeah. Well, and to your point, you know, and I do want to do a little bit of a shout out because I don't want people to think in any way that I'm in opposition to Gary. I have, you know, Gary Brecka, I think as he has learned, I mean, you know, his history, right? He came kind of from an insurance perspective wanting to know when people were going to pass away and then took that information to help them improve and lengthen their lives. Right. And now to this day, he started the ultimate human podcasts. And I think I was, I was either number two or, or, or number one. And then I, when it was actually the podcast idea with him was put out was like number five. I think he, I don't know that it's, it's, it's there anymore, funny enough. But, um, well I was like number five or something with him and we did a ton of education and it was great. What I want people to understand is just the other day he called me because Gary has my red light bed, right? I manufacture the best red light bed in the world. And we make, and I loved what you said when you say Christmas tree lights, cause I say it all the time. So many of the red light products are just Christmas tree lights and it's Christmas time almost. So it's funny to talk about it. Cause now they're like, Oh yeah, I see Christmas everywhere. For, for the body to be changed with hydrogen, you have to have hydrogen available to the body. You can't make a scam product and expect to have these benefits to the human body. Well, the same is true for light and even more so the irradiance or the brightness of those lights matter. And, and Gary, Gary told me the other day that his wife, Sage has, has chronic back pain and he has my red light bed because he said, that's the only bed my wife can get in and get out with no back pain. And he goes, I don't know what's so special about your bed. I know you developed it. You have the patent on it, all this stuff, but he goes, it's the only one that she can get into and get out. But this is the difference. When you have something that's designed for a purpose, you can't just make something else that makes red lights and say, it's going to do the same thing. And so to Gary's credit, a few weeks ago, he reached out to me and said, Hey, did you know there's this laboratory that's testing these red light beds? And I said, no, I wasn't aware of that. And he goes, yeah, they're outing all these companies that are making these beds and they're claiming the irradiance is here, but the irradiance is like way down here. And I'm like, Oh, this is so good. I love this kind of stuff. When people are testing products and showing that they're scamming people sometimes, and in this case, the largest company in the industry was the worst offender. They were claiming 165 and their bed was actually doing nine milliwatts per centimeter squared to 13. And they were claiming 165. And he was like, Paul, your bed is going to prevail. It's the best. I know it's the best. I'm just waiting for the number. So interestingly enough, tomorrow is when that lab is testing my bed and it's going to, it's going to be the highest. Cause I actually have a spectrometer and I've been, I've been testing our beds all along. I haven't been just taking what the, what, what I've been told. So I think testing is appropriate. I think policing ourselves would be wise for these companies that are creating products to actually do real studies, real tests, real laboratory. Like we do. We were the first company echo was to ever have the IHSA standard certification presented to us. We're, testing to be done to make sure that there was hydrogen in our water and we use gas chromatography. So we use the laboratory and independent laboratory to test all that. I think it's powerful. I think it's good to show what your product is doing. No matter what you're making, whether it's red light, it's echo water or hydrogen. It's it's PEMF. I think it's excellent to test, to show what you have and to not just make these false claims on your website because the internet is full of false claims.

Andy Smith 45:58 
And it's a disappointing time really because, you know, PEMF is just coming through and hydrogen's been around for a while. But the problem is if they buy these products and they think they're going to get it because the, you know, the benefits are all on these websites, they don't get the benefits from them. They just give up on that technology, you know, and it creates a bad name. So, yeah, it's important to make sure that these people are doing, you know, the right testing. And unfortunately, even some of them are saying third party tested. Well, third party tested doesn't mean a lot these days. Yeah, I know. You know, it's a big claim that everyone's making. But, you know, ask for those test results, ask for some kind of reporting and that sort of thing. You know, we've got our own that we send to people. When doing your testing, you know, one of my questions out there was about the PPM levels, the parts per million. Is there a certain range that people should be aiming for within hydrogen or like an optimal range or is it just that you're increasing the levels?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 46:56 
Here's the issue. What's considered therapeutic is half a part per million. That's so low. And yet, so when we look at the IHSA standards, and let me go into that for a minute because people need to understand because I just mentioned it, but people aren't going to know what the heck it is. IHSA is the International Hydrogen Standards Association. It is an organization out of Japan, and Shige Ota, who is an amazing individual, brought this organization into being because many years ago he said hydrogen is going to be amazing and all the scammers are going to come out and make a product. We need to create a standard. If you want to call your product a hydrogen product, you need to meet this minimum standard. And when I say 99% of the products are scam, it's because 99% of the bottles, for example, on Amazon, Alibaba, Temu, will never meet this very basic low standard. And that standard is half a part per million of hydrogen gas dissolved in distilled water. So that means you have to be able to put distilled water into your device, process it at its normal time, and have at least a half a part per million of hydrogen gas dissolved in that water, and the source water has to be distilled water. And so most all the products on Amazon and all these things will never even accomplish half a part per million. Now, this we had tested with distilled water, and it makes six parts per million. That's 12 times higher than that basic standard. If you run this on two cycles, then it's 16 times more than the standard. So clearly, all Echo devices were certified to have met that minimum standard, but we don't have a device that makes less than one and a half parts per million. So three times what's considered the basic. And so every Echo branded product has met and will meet IHSA standards, but most of the products on the market don't. And there's no other machine that you can run distilled water through that will produce hydrogen in that amount. And so this is where we need to make sure people ask, well, how do I know? Look at the IHSA certification. There's only one laboratory in the US that's been allowed to do these certifications, and that's in Las Vegas area. And we, of course, were the first company to ever have been certified with that. And we have continued to be the entire time always certified all of our products. Now, there is no certification for inhalation because they have not created a standard. But for water, they have created the standard. And most companies products are not certified by that at all. We are all of our products. And so that gives people at least something they can be shooting for. But the threshold of half a part per million is very low, right? Because people are talking about, oh, six parts per million, 10 parts, 12 parts. You don't need that. When we talk about the brain, 0.1 parts per million of hydrogen can activate ghrelin secretions. It's the lowest threshold. Half a part per million is considered therapeutic, but where people feel an energy bump is around one part per million.

Andy Smith 51:09 
It's interesting. And the next question that people will ask, linked to this is, you know, can you overdose? Because we get this a lot of PEMF therapy, you know, we tell people to use it for 10 to 20 minutes, but some people sit there for six hours using it. And it's like, oh, maybe I've overdosed on it. And you know, you're getting out all these numbers 12, you know, yeah, is there such thing as too much?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 51:33 
not when it relates to hydrogen. Technically, you could, of course, drink too much water and begin to dilute the electrolytes in your body, but that's usually not the problem people are having these days. Usually, people are chronically dehydrated. Probably about half the population in any country is chronically dehydrated. But from a hydrogen gas perspective, you can't overdose really theoretically. If you were breathing it in with inhalation, you can get too much. You shouldn't really have more than 4% by volume of hydrogen gas because it can be a little bit dangerous, right? And it can mess up the redox potential when you're breathing in hydrogen gas. But when it comes to water, you can drink as much as you want. You can get as much. Your body is going to breathe it out or utilize it and you really can't overdo it. I'm telling people to drink three to six of these a day. There's no possibility of overdoing anything with that. And people should be drinking half their body weight in ounces anyways just to be properly hydrated. And having hydrogen in there is fine. It has always been understood that intermittent exposure of hydrogen gas is the best. And what that just means is you're not going to be constant exposure. You do, I would say, every couple hours drink hydrogen water or every three hours or four, whatever it is that you want to do in your life, but spread it out during the day so that you have it during the day and you have it intermittent. That's going to be your best exposure. That's as simple as I can put it.

Andy Smith 53:25 
So we've spoken about water in terms of, you know, you've got the bottles and you've got the tablets and, and from what I understand, they're pretty comparable, but obviously the cost comes into this a lot because you're constantly buying tablets. Um, one other way that you can influence the body with hydrogen water is to, we've heard to bathe in it. Um, you know, there's been some athletes that have been bathing in hydrogen infused water and that sort of thing is, do you think that's a good way to do it is, is, does that work? Do you, how does, how does that work?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 53:55 
It's one of the most powerful ways to affect the body. So your most effective method of administration is drinking it in water, okay? Next would be bathing. And then third would be inhalation. So let's talk about the mechanisms of each of those. Why is water the most effective? Well, earlier I talked about the fact that if you have gut disruption, then you can heal your gut by having the electrical potential. That's never gonna happen with inhalation and it's not gonna happen with the bath unit. Drinking the water, going in your mouth, down your stomach, through your duodenum or duodenum, into your small intestine, into your large intestine, you're bathing your intestinal tract. Long story short is we have a gut. And we want to bathe that gut in the water so that we can heal our gut. So that's why it's most important to drink water. If you only can afford one mechanism, this is for skeptical people and traveling people. Once you fall in love with the way the water feels, you might wanna look at getting a pitcher. We make a pitcher, which is a larger volume. We call it the echo family. And it's 57 ounces at a time so that you're not waiting 10 minutes for 12 ounces. Then you can graduate into a water machine that's making a quarter gallon a minute. Or we have the reverse osmosis and hydrogen system that goes under your sink. That's the excellent way to have the cleanest water possible with hydrogen. Now, the next most effective, if you're like, okay, Dr. Paul, I can get one thing for my family. Get a water system and drink the water. If you're like, I can get two because I can finance it or I can handle monthly payments, okay, get the bath unit. If you have a bathtub in your home or you have a wife, they love their skin to look beautiful. Most wives do, I haven't met a woman yet that's like, I wanna be ugly, right? It just doesn't happen. And so the bath units, what's amazing about the bath units is collagen. When you're bathing, it's gonna signal collagen in the skin, which not only is gonna help find lines and wrinkles and all these things, but it's gonna strengthen the integrity of your skin. People that have psoriasis or eczema or people that have splotchy skin, acne, cystic acne, all those things will subside, right? And so bathing in it every day can do those things. But what it also can do is greatly affect the adipose tissue, fat burning. And so believe it or not, 30 days of taking hydrogen baths will reduce your hip to waist ratio, reduced fat in your body. And so there are tremendous benefits with that. Now, I wanna make sure everyone knows, Echo, the company, echowater.com, you can get a bath unit inhalation. You can get all different machines, whole house filtration. What we haven't talked about is we also have a drink mix that is crisp apple flavor with three prebiotics and hydrogen. And we use the coolest sugar replacement called Thaumatin, which is a protein sugar from Africa. And we use Rev-A stevia leaf in there as well. But you have three amazing fiber sources that are prebiotics to seed the gut and to prepare the gut to have the proper bacteria in the gut. And it's like an apple flavor, a sour apple flavor. People love it. They love the flavor, but it's a wonderful drink mix that has three prebiotics, of course magnesium, hydrogen, you're gonna make, you know, eight parts per million in a drink mix. And those are only $24 for a pack of 30. Like, so they're half the price of the tablets. And so we're not trying to sell a drink mix. This is better. There is nothing better than this from a cost perspective. But at least if you do want a drink mix, you can have a really good tasting one that has prebiotics to help your gut and all this. So we are the largest company in the world. We are the original company in the world. We're the OG for hydrogen water. I started it. There was two people, myself and a man named Tyler LeBaron. We really started the hydrogen space. It was him and I. We were friends going back many, many years ago, 2009, right? He was figuring out hydrogen. I was figuring out hydrogen. And we ended up meeting. We're like, hey, you're doing, we're doing the same thing right now in the world. And it was pretty cool. And he's a really smart individual. He was at BYU Idaho at the time. And I was living in Florida. And we connected via Zoom all those years ago, or not Zoom, Skype. We connected via Skype because it was cool then. But the reality is here we are all these years later and we've got hydrogen that's becoming more and more and more available. And we have people like Dwayne Johnson that has our bath unit. We were talking about how powerful a bath unit can be. Dwayne Johnson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jake Paul, Grant Cardone, Gary Brekke, they all have our bath units in their home just to name a few people. Of course I do too. My wife loves a hydrogen bath. So think of hydrogen as a gas that can cause many benefits in the body. And the method of administration, whether it's drinking, bathing, breathing, they all have effects. Now, at the end of the day, water is gonna be the most effective. Bathing is gonna affect the skin, which is very specific. Inhalation is great for long COVID. There's 11 studies so far on that because cytokine storms are mitigated. And because you're breathing hydrogen in your nose, it's going right into your lungs, which is a lot of the issues with long COVID. So, but inhalation is not gonna fix your gut and it's not gonna add collagen to your skin, right? So you gotta understand there's different pathways that are affected by the method of administration of hydrogen. And so there is an argument for all three mechanisms, but if you as the consumer can only do one, it's water. First and foremost, you wanna reduce oxidative stress, inflammation, get your immune function up. You wanna, you will have your skin affected by water as well. It's just a little bit of a longer time period. So that's what I hope people will do. I hope they will take action. I hope they will bless the lives of those that they know that have disease models. This is something that happens really fast. It's not a long period of time. People with Parkinson's, there's 22 studies. Diabetes, there's 77 studies. Cancer, there's 123 studies. It doesn't matter what the disease model is, hydrogen can help.

Andy Smith 01:01:41 
And that was one of my last questions actually in terms of the administration of hydrogen is, is the inhalation. So, you know, what I wanted to ask you is how does it compare with, um, you know, drinking hydrogen, but like you've kind of just explained, they may be two different animals, you know, in terms of the benefits you get. Um, but just, just to touch on the inhalation side of things, what, what are the main benefits of, of inhalation and, you know, would you, would you prefer, I suppose you'd say the water is a preferred method if you could only choose one.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:02:15 
Yes, water is the most effective method of administration. Number one, number two, bathing would be next because bathing provides benefits that are rapid for the body and a little more and not going to happen through inhalation. Inhalation is for those that want a lung, fast lung response and blood, which there's not, I mean, so just understand the reason why, let's be transparent. The reason why inhalation took off is largely because of the country of China started making inhalation units for doctors to use because they can bill someone to sit there and breathe for 45 minutes to an hour. That's the reality. Whether someone would actually have an inhalation unit in their home is a different story. If we really look at our normal everyday life, you could grab 16-ounce bottle of hydrogen water and jump in your car and go drive and drink it and have a dose of hydrogen. If you're wanting to do inhalation, you really need to sit down for an hour and breathe. Now, that might be great for a lot of people, honestly. They might need to slow down a little, you know, but it is inconvenient for a lot of people to take an hour and sit and put a cannula on their face or a mask on their face and breathe. Our unit that we make can do two people at the same time and have a therapeutic dose. So at least a husband, a wife or a child and a mother or what have you can do it. But it's just the most disruptive to a daily, you know, schedule that you could do. Whereas a bath is 15 minutes drinking water. You can grab it and go and it doesn't disrupt your day. So I would say from a convenience perspective, water is the best from a medical water is the best from a most effective method of administration water is the best next would be bath because there are unique things that it does like skin tone splotchiness the way you look the way your skin is all those kind of things can change in one bath. And so that's something you could do that's different and it's kind of luxurious. Honestly, you could put salts in your bath. You could do all kinds of stuff like you can make a bath pretty cool. If you've got money and you just don't care and you want everything possible. If you're doing red light, for example, you can do inhalation while laying there and red light and get you know, so we can combine different modalities. And if money is no object then get it all and have hydrogen coming into your life like like you want to and and and get as immortal as you can get and live as long as you want to live and age gracefully and do all these things. I think it's wonderful in my home. Of course, we have the whole house system the Echo whole house system the RO system. I have the Echo Ultimate. I have of course flasks. We have the bath unit in our home. And so, you know, I have an ice bath. I have a steam room a sauna room all these things. So I do live this lifestyle. I'm 53 years old and I don't have aches and pains and anything else and I'm enjoying life and that's what I want for everyone else.  I want everyone else to live their best life and not have aches and pains and all this kind of stuff. So I will caution people of buying an inhalation unit that isn't properly made to keep the gas levels at 4% we there's only two inhalation units my ours and one others that that I have just seen recently is just being introduced that make sure that you keep the gas level of 4% no matter what we're doing the same thing and have done it so that you keep the level of hydrogen of 4% that you're breathing in but there's just like the water their sketchy companies there's a lot of sketchy companies selling inferior inhalation and and they're selling it for $10,000 $20,000. It's kind of crazy actually ours is ours is so much less like around $5,000. So just understand you got to be careful don't make this an emotional decision do a little bit of research ask for certifications. This is an investment in your future your life your family take a little bit of time and make sure you do it properly.

Andy Smith 01:07:02 
And I think convenience was a big point that I just want to kind of drill into on that one with a lot of things because, you know, people can spend thousands, thousands of pounds on the most expensive buy hacks they can find. But finding the most convenient option is always, you know, one of the best places to start because, you know, people don't realize they might not sit there for an hour doing the inhalation, you know, you might not sit under all these different devices for that amount of time. So, yeah, start with the more convenient stuff. Get these things into your routine and, you know, same comes down when they're when they're trying to find a PEMF device. You know, you want to find one that fits into your life, not not the other way around. Let's let's kind of wrap this up with some myth busting because we like to bust a few myths on on this podcast. Love it. So let's do the same for hydrogen. Like a common one that we found on Reddit is that hydrogen water doesn't actually exist because hydrogen is insoluble in water. Is that true?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:07:58 
No, it's not true. And all gases, I mean, you have Boyle's law, right? So all gases can be dissolved into water through pressure, through natural places. And furthermore, all healing water waters in the world, whether it's Lourdes, France, whether it's Mexico, whether it's Germany, Russia, there are different places in the world where it's been documented, people are going to these healing waters and they have now confirmed that all of them have hydrogen gas in them naturally. So the people that have been going to these healing waters all over the world, they now know there's hydrogen in there. So I don't know what these wonderful people are saying on Reddit. There's just, it's just crazy. You know, here's the deal. When something seems too easy, they want to poo poo it. They want to talk a negative, but there are 1600 studies. How could you have 1600 studies and have 200 of them almost be human study? 20% of them. So now over 300 studies are human double blind studies. How would you have that if there's no such thing as hydrogen water? How would you, if you can't dissolve hydrogen, the study would go, well, we wanted to do the study, but since we can't get hydrogen to stay in water, we couldn't do anything. Wait, don't you think you'd read that? Of course you would. So I don't know. It's crazy.

Andy Smith 01:09:29 
So for example with this one like how does your system keep the gas dissolved and and how long does it stay that way so once I'm so you.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:09:37 
So remember right? You hear that. That's 64 PSI of pressure in this. So at one atmosphere, you can dissolve 1.5 parts per million of gas. It's based on Boyle's law and a couple other laws. But the point is, if we increase pressure, which we do here in this device, now you're changing atmospheres. So because we get to 64 PSI, we can do over 6 parts per million. If we get it up to 80 PSI, we can be around 8 parts per million, which we do it at 20 minutes. And this bottle has been tested to 200 PSI. So technically, you could get it up to 20 parts per million. But why? You don't ever need to do that. But the point that I'm making is it's a function of pressure. So this is why our other devices that are flow through are one and a half parts per million, which is plenty. But you're not pressurizing the chamber. So you can't get more gas in. The big question we get is, OK, let's say I pour the water out of here into a glass. How long do I have to drink it? And the answer is two hours.

Andy Smith 01:10:49 
Okay, so that was gonna be the next question. Yeah. How long does it stay in there for? So yeah. Yeah. There's also concerns on all about hydrogen war becoming acidic. Is there any truth in that?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:10:58 
Becoming what?

Andy Smith 01:10:59 
Becoming acidic.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:11:00 
No, no, it is. If you're in the scam products with the scam products, you will have hypochlorous acid or acid and you can make it acid. But with this, it's H2 gas. That's not an acid H plus would be an ion or an acid. That's not what you're ever making here. You're making H2 in H2O water. So H2 is neutral and does not change pH. It does not change anything in the water.

Andy Smith 01:11:29 
Okay and we found another one that was saying hydrogen water is basically the same as alkaline water or oxygenated water, are they related in any way?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:11:41 
So these are crazy people. You can't say oxygen and hydrogen water are the same thing. This makes zero sense. But people do mistake this all the time. Even people standing in our booth will go, oh, how much oxygen? And I'm like, we're talking about hydrogen, remember? Oh yes, hydrogen, that's right. Sometimes the words just come out of our mouth and we're not thinking. But here's the deal. Alkaline water has nothing to do with hydrogen water and hydrogen water has nothing to do with alkaline water. But can they exist together? Of course. If you poured alkaline water in here, you're going to make hydrogen water that's alkaline. Is there a benefit to that? That's the big question. The answer is no. There is zero benefit for raising the pH of water and then drinking it. And falsely, people try and say Otto Warburg said something about pH. He never said anything. He got a Nobel Prize from saying what? Cancer thrives on sugar. That's what he said. If we really want to boil down what he said, he said cancer cells can thrive in an oxygen rich or an oxygen poor environment. It said nothing about pH. Unfortunately, there are companies out there that sell high pH water systems that misquote Otto Warburg. I will tell you that a brand new alkaline water system, some of them, not all of them, some of the alkaline water systems will produce hydrogen. Remember, we talked earlier about electrolysis. Electrolysis is how you break up. This is a proton exchange membrane type electrolysis. If you're using a traditional type electrolysis, that would be very bad. And that's what the cheap bottles are is traditional electrolysis. We're using a proton exchange membrane that filters out at the bottom like we talked about. These alkaline water machines use traditional electrolysis, which is why they separate water into alkaline and acid. The hypochlorous acid and all the stuff that would in a bottle will go in the bottle are going out to what we call acid water. And just the hydrogen would be in the alkaline stream. Now, the problem fundamentally with an alkaline water machine is the cathode that's your negatively charged electrode, calcium will bond to that electrode. And within two weeks of buying this multi-thousand dollar machines, you'll have calcium buildup and you can no longer dissolve hydrogen gas because the bubbles will coalesce or group together and get too large to be dissolved and they just go right back out to atmosphere. So a brand new $4,000 alkaline water machine and everyone knows what I'm talking about will make hydrogen. And therefore you will have wonderful benefits but within two weeks, if you don't clean that machine like it says in the warranty guide, if you don't clean the machine, you lose the ability to dissolve hydrogen gas and you will not have hydrogen in that water. So don't waste your money on alkaline because the pH of the water does not survive stomach acid. People, unfortunately, these salespeople will say, oh, if you drink alkaline water, it makes your body alkaline.  That is a lie. There is no truth to that. Blood pH has to stay 7.35 to 7.45. That is your range. You will start to go into shock if you go above or below that. So how do we manage blood pH? Breath, carbonic acid, it's just chemistry, guys. Go back and remember school. Carbonic acid changes. That's one more breath per minute. We'll do more for your blood pH than anything you drink. And thank heavens because otherwise one soda would kill you. That's what you need to understand. If 9.5 water helped you, 1.5 soda would kill you instantly if it affected blood pH. Think about that for a minute. You can't only own one side of the equation.

Andy Smith 01:15:52 
Good. So one of the last myths we've got is talking about how the gut already produces hydrogen naturally, which is quite interesting and ironic because my family business make hydrogen breath analysis devices. So, and we use those for gastroenterology issues like lactose intolerance and that sort of thing. So we're measuring the exhaled breath of hydrogen. So we know that our gut produces hydrogen. So why do we need to be putting hydrogen back in there through the water? What's, you know, what's the benefit?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:16:29 
because most people the gut is not because you have gut damage and we kind of talked about it earlier but if your gut is not functioning you're not going to produce hydrogen gas the way you're supposed to and so you're not going to regulate all the pathway pathways that hydrogen does. So yes people use breath analysis for SIBO and that's really what they're doing but you have two types of SIBO you have methane SIBO and hydrogen seeking SIBO so that there's my camera but the the reality is testing hydrogen in the gut is fine but that really has nothing to do with what we're doing. What we're doing is providing the body hydrogen to regulate pathways oxidation antioxidant pathways your NERF1, NERF2 pathways you know all interleukin 6 and you know all these different things that are regulated there's over 200 biomolecules that are regulated by hydrogen in the body and there's really no system or function the body does for the most part that hydrogen is not involved with and that's what we need to understand it is mission critical hydrogen is necessary for our bodies to function normally and naturally properly.

Andy Smith 01:17:45 
Oh, nice. Last question from me, you know, we actually met in person at the Health Optimization Summit in London this year. And we, my producer Josh and I, we watched your talk and you mentioned the term fart therapy. So what was this? We wanted to just drill into that and figure out what this is and where does this come into anything.

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:18:05 
Okay, so just the fact that we produce hydrogen and flatulence has methane hydrogen in it. So it's really more of a joke. Like a lot of wives are upset with their husbands for farting so much. And now that you know your farts can have hydrogen, so they're good for you. We just call it fart there. Yeah, it was a good joke. Fart therapy. Yeah, that's really it.

Andy Smith 01:18:30 
No, good. Um, thanks for your time today, Paul. Um,

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:18:34 
Thank you.

Andy Smith 01:18:35 
Where can people find you? You know, if anybody wants to contact you by the products, look into hydrogen more, where can they find you?

Dr. Paul Barattiero 01:18:43 
Go to echowater.com, E-C-H-O, water.com. If you want to geek out on Friday nights and read all the studies, go to hydrogen studies with an S, hydrogenstudies with an S.com, hydrogenstudies.com. There's all the studies are there. You can parse the data by typing in pathways, disease models, whatever you want to look at. So hydrogenstudies.com for the research, echowater.com to buy the products. We're a course on every social media platform. You can find Echohydrogen or Echowater on there. But please give us a like. Please check out everything we're doing. There are sales going on this time of year. So bless the lives of other people that are suffering. That's what we're here for is to help people accomplish their divine potential.

Andy Smith 01:19:36 
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