Andy Smith 00:00 
A quick disclaimer before we begin, the PEMF podcast does not contain any medical advice, and the content provided is for informational purposes only. If you have any health concerns, please visit a healthcare professional. Welcome back to the PEMF podcast. I'm joined today by someone with the truly rare expertise in our field, Dr. Henning Saupe. He is the founder and medical director of Arcadia Clinic in Germany, where he has spent over 20 years integrating PEMF and other complementary therapies into daily practice. His clinic is majority cancer patients, as well as people living with complex conditions like chronic fatigue, autoimmune and inflammatory diseases, with more than three decades of experience as a physician, researcher, complementary oncologist, as well as author of holistic cancer medicine. Dr. Saupe has dedicated his career to exploring holistic ways of supporting patients with particular focus on cancer prevention, resilience and quality of life. Welcome back after almost two years since your last appearance on the PEMF podcast.

Dr Henning Saupe 01:12 
Hello, Andy. What a pleasure to see you again and to meet our audience today. It's an honor.

Andy Smith 01:16 
No, thanks so much. And if you want to check out part one, we'll link it at the bottom of this episode and it's a bit more of an introduction into Henning's clinic and what he's doing in Germany. I've been there personally, it's absolutely stunning place. So let's jump in.

For anyone listening who may be new to this, what kind of patients do you typically use PEMF with and are currently in treatment? Are they post treatment or preventative focused or when do you kind of integrate PEMF into your routine a lot of the time?

Dr Henning Saupe 01:51 
in all stages of the disease that you can imagine from stage zero with which is pure preventative treatments and I wish there would there would be more patients that come to us in stage zero so no evidence of a disease but they want to build up their health and their vitality and make sure that they don't get the disease but what is much more common is patients in stages that belong to three and four. Three is metastases so the disease has spread to at least one place out of the original tumor or stage four which is actually the most common stage that patients reach out to us and stage four by definition is multiple metastases so in plain English that's when the disease has spread to more than one other organ and the majority of patients that reach out to us and eventually come to our treatments are patients who need in something that works better than what they did before so we're used to treating patients that are intensively pretreated and come to us when when their lives are at stake and they really need something new to get to have a chance to live longer and better so but we literally see as I initially said patients in all stages and my daily prayer so to speak is that more patients come to us in earlier stages I also have to tell you that it's a sad truth that patients reach out to us when we had to have to say that we don't see any chances to help them and that's a very sad part of my work almost every day I have to say or write a note to a patient who sent his submission that we that sorry it is too late to have a chance to to get better from the treatments we provide and that's something I would love to see a change that that patients come earlier so first message to all the ones who are in need of therapies don't wait until the last treatment that your oncologist has offered you does not work any longer come as early as possible because what we do here fits very well together with our regular evidence-based or guideline based therapies as an add-on but we also provide therapies that represent an alternative to the guideline-based standard therapies and the decision what therapy is the best for this particular patient is based on very many individual factors so what we do is when a patient sends a request for treatments we we do an intensive interview we have a question there we want to look through all the medical files and the medical history and learn so much as possible as much as possible about this patient to make a treatment assessment and get back to the to the patient with with a with an answer what treatment is the best for you in this individual situation.

Andy Smith 05:02 
And I think it's a really important point you're making because a lot of people will listen to the oncologist within terms of their treatment plans and they think that they cannot do anything outside of this. You know, they have to stick to this rigid format and, you know, you're kind of educating people to understand that a lot of these things are complementary and can run alongside the conventional treatments. Is there a type, a specific type of cancer that you see that you get such a good result with in terms of PEMF and the other therapies that you can mention or is it really a wide

Dr Henning Saupe 05:38 
It's a wide field. I mean, cancer is more than 500 different diseases in all possible stages. So what do we see and what do we have good results with? Let me start with the common types of cancer that represent, I would say, 60, 70, 80 percent of all cancer patients nowadays, and that is cancer in the breast glands, so breast cancer for the women and prostate cancer for the men. So second to that, I would say digestive tract cancer like colon cancer or the more difficult ones like gallbladder or pancreatic cancer, stomach cancer, that is what we see on a regular basis. We also see patients and offer treatments for patients with lymphomas. It's a different type of a disease. There are many things in common with the so-called carcinomas, the diseases of inner linings of digestive tract organs or glands. So the lymphomas come, originate from deranged cells in the bone marrow, lymphocytes that turn into a cancerous behavior. But lymphomas respond also very well to many of the treatments that we offer. So what do we see here? We see what is common in the world. We see many, many patients with breast cancer. We see patients with prostate cancer, lung cancer, colon cancer. But we also get questions and requests from patients with rare diseases, and rare diseases represent the problem because there's not much science, not much evidence how to treat a specific type of a disease that occurs like one in a half a million or one in a million. And these patients are, of course, desperate. And nowadays, with the access to a clinic like ours through an online research, patients reach out from literally everywhere to us. Right now, I have patients here from Australia, from California, last week from Kenya, in Africa, and you name it. So I would rather say that I'm an expert in individualized treatments than that I'm an expert in a specific type of a disease. My specialty is to turn every stone for the best therapy for a particular patient doing an in-depth assessment with all kinds of medical tests and our experience to find the best and possible way to prolong the patient's life and get the disease under control. And in early stages, of course, we try to make everything possible to provide the patient with a cure in combination with clinical therapies like surgery, sometimes even radiation. So it's a complex analysis that we do in the beginning to find out what is best in this particular situation. And the result is a multi-level treatment approach, which is necessary for this really difficult group of diseases that we call cancer diseases. There is no silver bullet. There are very, very, very few exceptions like special types of leukemia that respond very well to one drug. But that is an exception. The majority of cancerous diseases require a multi-level treatment approach that comes from all sides. And that is exactly what complementary and holistic medicine is about.  And that is why patients are so welcome to reach out to us in early stages, sometimes even parallel to their standard therapies, to take care of vitality support, mitochondrial support, nutritional support, detoxification, which is not on the map of regular oncologists. Still not today, 2025, oncologists show any interest in nutritional support, detox support, or supportive general vitality. And by saying that, we get a little closer to one of the topics that we want to speak about today, which is pulse electromagnetic frequency therapies, one of the many add-ons that we offer in literally every stage of the disease because there are significant advantages that you can expect from it.

Andy Smith 10:09 
So it's important to know that because it's PEMF therapy is only part of the puzzle. You know, there's, there's so many different therapies that you guys offer and we'll, we'll touch on all of those, um, a little bit later. Cause it's important to mention that all of them are part of this plan. Um, something you did really well in part one was to explain PEMF therapy and what I'd kind of like you to do now is imagine that someone's in your clinic and, and you're just about to introduce PEMF therapy to them. How do you normally explain what this PEMF is and, and why it might become part of their plan?

Dr Henning Saupe 10:44 
Well, a little summary of what we talked about last time, a couple of years ago. We have this strange phenomenon that cells divide and grow inside our body out of the control of the body and that represents a problem. The lung grows, compresses nerves, compresses blood vessels, eventually other organs, and that turns into a dangerous scenario when the tumor is growing. So we need to do something to stop the tumor from growing and that is one aspect of the problem. The other aspect would be to care for a healthy terrain that incorporates a healthy immune system, detoxification system, blood flow, energy supply, nutritional supply, etc. that reduces the activity of cancerous growth through the terrain, through the environment around the tumor cells. And that is, again, a core topic for an oncologist that works in a holistic way, out of a holistic primer, that there is more than the cancer cell. The problem is not a cancer cell, the problem is a human body that allows a cancer cell to grow and form a lump. So we must not only treat the cell or the lump, we have to treat the entire organism. And that is still very little done in regular oncology. I see some changes in mainstream literature of the last years that the tumor microenvironment is more and more acknowledged as something that has to be taken into account in the treatment approach, but it's still in its beginning in regular oncology. Where in naturopathicalistic complementary medicine and oncology, it's not in its beginning, it's what we have been doing for decades and the ones before me, my teachers, throughout their entire life to care for a healthy terrain and not only to try to kill the tumor. If it was so easy to kill the tumor without killing the patient, we would not have this conversation today. So chemotherapy comes with a lot of problems and the best way to express the problem around chemotherapy is the word toxicity and the lack of specificity. So it does not only kill cancer cells, it kills bone marrow cells. It is a burden to the liver, to the kidneys, to the brain, to the heart, to everything around. So how do we stop cancer growth without damaging the entire organism and the human being around? That's the core topic of my work. And so chemotherapy is sometimes necessary to stop the growth when the tumor has reached a size where it really threatens someone's life. And chemotherapy was developed in the field of hemato-oncology, which is diseases that are blood-based, bone marrow-derived, so classic leukemia or lymphomas. And that is where chemotherapy is very, very effective, still up to date, and where complementary methods can add valuable qualities of less side effects, improved general well-being, immune system support, et cetera. And in the carcinomas, which is the majority of all cancerous diseases, like breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer, lung cancer, chemotherapy is literally, to make a long story short, not able to provide the patient with the cure he or she wants because of dynamics that we can discuss that are published in the literature, that to make it short, there will always be cancer cells that survive the chemotherapy that does not kill the patient. If you would try to kill all existing cancer cells in the human body, you would need to use those that the patient would not survive. So that's a simple way to express the problem. So we have to add other things to make the other treatment aspects to make chemotherapy more effective. And on the other side, we have to do whatever is possible to reduce toxicity. And I guess we talked about that last time that two very important and very well-understood and published add-on techniques that we use at Arcadia Clinic is heat therapy or hypothermia. And we use lower dosages of chemotherapy under blood sugar modification with insulin, something that is called insulin potentiated low-dose chemotherapy. So we reduce toxicity, we make cancer cells more susceptible, more sensitive to chemotherapy by lowering blood sugar, something that makes cancer cells vulnerable and hungry. So they gobble in more chemotherapy that we administer under low blood sugar circumstances. And then we heat up the tumor to improve the blood flow and the perfusion of the tumor with the drugs that we give. So these are our two enhancement methods on parallel to chemotherapy. And that allows us to reduce the dosage quite a bit. We're talking about 20% regular chemotherapy dose compared to the 100% that is recommended in the guidelines. And that is only possible if you have very powerful parallel synergy effects. And again, the two synergetic therapies that we use is insulin modification, insulin-based modification of the blood sugar and hypothermia, so we heat up the tumor. So this is, and to reduce the tumor's masses, we need some drug that does the killing and that is chemotherapy, what, as I said, we reduce the dosage to prevent side effects. And with a 20% dose, you have literally as good as no visible or measurable side effects. And the toxicity is more focused on the cells because we overheat the cells with radio wave or infrared energy and we make cancer cells more sensitive to the drug by lowering blood sugar. So this is the step one of our treatment philosophy that we share with all oncologists on this planet, we want to reduce cancer's growth and attack cancer. But then there is the step two, which is... almost only represented in holistic complementary clinics. I'm not the only one, there are many in Germany, there are some in Switzerland. There are clinics that integrate this holistic treatment aspect in their protocols and strategies in Mexico, in Asia. But it's a sad truth that some countries do not allow their medical doctors to practice what we do here and offer complementary treatments in oncology. And that is why patients come to German or Swiss or Mexican clinics from all over the world. So what is step two? Step two is vitality. Step two is mitochondrial support and cancer repair. And maybe in the future we have ways to repair and cure cancer without toxins. And there is interesting, super exciting research going on, for instance, in the laboratory of Thomas Seyfried, a professor in biology and a cancer researcher in Boston. His world famous book, Cancer as a Metabolic Disease is a standard reference for this secondary approach that aims at repairing cancer instead of killing it. And that is where all the energy therapies come in to the treatment arsenal and where pulse electromagnetic frequency therapy is one and where infrared light therapy or hydrogen are other aspects that can help us to cure the cancer cell from within without killing it. And at the moment, I have to acknowledge that the tools we use in cancer repair and energy medicine are there. There are some significant advantages, measurable advantages based on published data. And that's why we use these techniques, but they are still not strong enough to achieve the big goal of getting the patient cancer free. So, and even Professor Seyfried recommends to do both in a cyclic therapy wave form. He calls it the pulse press approach. So we work with anti-cancer strategies like low dose chemotherapy or repurposed anti-cancer drugs, drugs that are developed for other diseases than cancer that have an anti-cancer effect and are not as toxic as classic chemotherapy. Drugs like ivermectin or menbendazole or fenbendazole became quite famous the last years because of their secondary anti-cancer effects. Effects, they're originally anti-parasite drugs. So this is the cancer attack phase of the therapy, but then after a cancer attack day, we address all our therapies and focus and support to the immune system and the self-repair capacity inside our cells and try to wake up the self-repair mechanisms inside cancer cells by supporting their energy flow. It's quite a complex biochemical background that you need to understand how that works, but it's published in the literature. If there are solid references for that and descriptions why mitochondrial repair may very well result in a better and longer life, although it will not give us the cure today because we're still looking for better and better and better strategies, it's already worthwhile doing because the other strategy that the killing cancer approach comes with limitations, that's why cancer is still a disease that we cannot cure in about 50% of all the cases. So for 50% of all cancer patients, the sad truth is it's a chronic disease. But the good news is we have better and better ways to keep this chronic disease under control and help our patients to live many, many years, sometimes 10 years or more with the disease. So even if it's not curable, it's worthwhile treating it because instead of having a very short prognosis with cancerous disease, we can today treat patients for many, many years. And as I said, 10 or sometimes 15 and even 20 years are possible to keep the disease under control with methods that allow the patient to have a good quality of life. And now we are getting closer and closer to the energy therapies that help us to do a lot of good around the tumor in the terrain, but also inside the cancer cell where we try to help the cancer cell to repair some of its problems and make it less aggressive.

Andy Smith 22:41 
No, I think that's great because, you know, modern medicine looks very much and is very effective at attacking the cancer cells. But sometimes they would lack the knowledge of the ultimate healing part, the body, you know, the support to the body. So it's good that we're starting to look at that differently and we're starting to understand that more. You mentioned in there as well that there's some countries that almost don't allow these alternative therapies. Do you know why that is? What's your opinion on that and why would people have to come all the way from Germany to Germany to get this?

Dr Henning Saupe 23:16 
It's a complex question, it has certainly to do with politics and with the definition of what is the state's obligation and what is the individual's obligation. So in Germany, we have a very special history that everybody remembers from history lessons. So at the time of my grandfather's Germany, it was run by a bunch of psychopathic Nazis and that turned Germany into a dictatorship, which was a big tragedy not only for Germany but eventually for the entire world. So we remember that from history lessons. So that resulted in the catastrophe of the Second World War and the destroyal of Germany. So when Germany was eventually, when the Nazis were defeated by the Allied forces, Germany did not exist for four years between 1945 and 1949, there was no German state. But then when Germany was allowed to rebuild a sovereign state in 1949, we got a constitution that is one of the most modern constitutions, at least in Europe, maybe in the world, because it protects the individual against the state, against eventual trespassing of individual rights from the state. And it says in its first paragraph that the individual's dignity is untouchable and the state's first obligation is to protect and save the individual's dignity. And that is the basis for medical treatments based on an individual decision between the patient and the physician. So the German state does not tell me how to treat the patient as long as the patient is carefully informed and as long as ethical laws are respected and things are respected that are very, very clear, you must not do obvious mistakes, you must not let be very obvious life-supporting strategies and try to treat a severe bacterial pneumonia with a cup of chamomile tea that would be maltreatment and result in losing your license as a medical doctor for sure. And that is good, of course. But if the patient suffers from a disease that nobody can cure, like metastasized breast cancer, and the oncologist offers, the standard oncologist offers a treatment that is quite toxic and come with a long list of potential side effects, inclusive death, inclusive secondary cancerous diseases, patients in Germany are allowed to say, thank you for the recommendation, I go a different route, I look for something alternative. And if I have informed the patient carefully about standard treatments and the patient asked me, is there another way to treat my disease and I have reasonable support from the literature, I'm allowed to treat patients with methods that are not mentioned in the guidelines. And your country, the United Kingdom, interprets the law in a different way. I'm in contact with the few doctors who dare to offer complimentary treatments for cancer patients in your country and they have difficulties with the authorities and what they are allowed to do and what they are allowed to say. So the same applies for Scandinavian countries, super strict when it comes to treatment through a medical doctor of patients who have oncological diseases, France, the same. So which countries allow doctors like me to treat cancer patients with methods that are not mentioned in guidelines? The German speaking countries, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, I heard that Italy has some opening for hypothermia and some unconventional methods and that doctors are allowed in a little corner to practice complimentary oncology, but they don't talk so much about it. I would say it's like a little bit of a gray zone. And then we have countries like Mexico and Asian countries, but that's about it. Russia was very open or is probably still very open to complimentary treatments, but because of political reasons and the tragic war, the communication between Russian doctors and Western European doctors has not been very good the last years. But the Russian culture is also more open for complimentary and naturopathic treatments. Then we have a long answer to your question and of course, one more detail, something that we can quarrel about back and forth is what is evidence and what can we call evidence based and believe it or not, that definition is not as crystal clear as we want it to be. There is a lot of politics and lobbyists around the definition of what is now evidence based. If I tell you that vitamin C has been subject to clinical studies for 30 or 40 years and has gone through so many studies and is still not regarded to be evidence based to treat a cancer patient with high dosages of vitamin C, then we can say that is strange. So who is entitled to say that something is evidence based? Well, and that's the next step of my answer. There are powerful institutions and circles of scientists that collaborate with the ones that produce the drugs that obviously are entitled by our governments to decide whether something is called evidence based or not. Maybe we leave it there.

Andy Smith 29:23 
No, sorry, I took you off piece of it there, but that was, I'm glad I asked because, you know, that's what this podcast is for. It was a great answer. I'm going to take it back on track a little bit. People that come to you with cancer or chronic conditions, obviously a lot of the time they're going to be faced with a lot of pain. Pain in conventional methods of treatment, a lot of the time will be painkillers, medicines, that again is kind of just turning off the pain, but not doing anything to fix the pain. So do you guys use PEMF? Do you use your other conventional therapies alongside to target the pain as well? And how does this look?

Dr Henning Saupe 30:01 
Yeah, thank you for that question. Very, very important. Cancer is known for being a disease that comes with pain sooner or later. And pain management is absolutely essential and important to get the patient's quality of life back. And yes, sometimes we have to use strong painkillers, at least in the beginning before the anti-cancer treatments and provide help if your treatments have reduced to tumor masses. So yes, we use standard painkillers. And there is a drug that has a special role in our treatment as methadone. We could talk at least for an hour about the special effects of methadone to make a long story short. Dr. Claudia Friesen, a chemist from Ulm University in southern Germany, published many years ago that methadone has secondary anti-cancer effects. And she caused a storm in the world of oncology because she was not entitled to say something about anti-cancer effects of a drug because she's not an oncologist, but only a PhD chemist. But she found it in her laboratories working with cancer cells that methadone had a secondary anti-cancer effect. So that is why we use methadone as the number one opioid drug in patients who have strong pain because we cherish the secondary anti-cancer effect on top of its strong anti-pain effect. And I've seen really very, very good reactions and changes to the better in patients who are treated with methadone. But if the patient is not or parallel to it, or if methadone or other opioids are not necessary, we use pulse electromagnetic frequency therapies regularly and intensively. And for how long have I been doing so for more than 25 years? So I started with the PEMF therapy devices already 25 years ago. I learned from the literature and from case reports that it reduces pain and that it improves microcirculation. And that got my attention because microcirculation is such a important key factor that our life depends on. Microcirculation sounds a little theoretical and our listeners who are not familiar with that term, it represents blood flow in our tiny little hair capillary vessels in our tissues. So literally everywhere in our body our blood flow comes from the heart and goes into the big arteries eventually into the arterioles and from there into the hairy thin capillary vessels and from there into the tissues where where the cells need the oxygen and the nutrients and on the other side they release their carbon dioxide and their waste products into the capillaries that eventually flow back to the heart in the venous system of our circulatory system. So microcirculation is a part of life. It's absolutely essential for our life for everything that our body needs. And a technique that improves microcirculation has zero side effects is pulse electromagnetic frequency therapy. That's how simple it is. If somebody asked me why PEMF my answer is because I want to give your cells more what they need oxygen and nutrients and I want to help them to get rid of what I don't need carbon dioxide and waste products. So it's a basic stimulant for the turnover of all the chemical processes in our in our body and it by that it reduces toxicity. It reduces the concentration of molecules of substances that cause inflammation. So yes PEMF acts as an anti-inflammatory treatment and it does even more. It charges the membranes of the cells which is an essential factor for for ion transport through the the cellular membrane. So it's a wonderful therapy at the cost of zero side effects. No side effects at all. Does PEMF therapy come with side effects? My answer after using it for more than 25 years is a clear nope I have never seen side effects. There are very, very few contraindications, let's mention them, a pacemaker, a patient who carries an electronic device that regulates the pulse rate of the heart, has to be careful with any other electromagnetic devices. So that's a contraindication, and it's what the only one I know of. I've treated patients with metal implants. I've never had a problem. Maybe once, if I think twice, once there was a gentleman with a large metal hip prosthesis, and he felt some warmth after PEMF treatment and said, well, it was a little too hot. Okay, that was it. That was the side effect. So it's really, it's not spectacular. It's spectacular that it has no side effects, and the only contraindication is a pacemaker or a morphine pump, very rare, that patients carry morphine pumps or an intra-dominal insulin pump, also relatively rare, but there are patients who live with a morpheum or with an insulin pump. They cannot use PEMF therapy safely. So the majority, I would say 99 dot something, 99% of all patients I've seen in my life don't have any contraindications, and they feel definitely better after a therapy around with PEMF treatments, and it reduces pain, it reduces inflammation, it stimulates healing reactions, it improves wound healing significantly, visibly. It can improve kidney function of patients with stage one kidney dysfunction with accumulating waste products creatinine because of damage after chemotherapy or damage from painkillers, and I've seen it many times that if such a patient with a beginning incompetence of their kidney function uses PEMF therapy that the kidney values improve, and it's not difficult to understand why because we improve microcirculation, and what is the kidney made out of balls of capillary vessels, there are hundreds of plumerally small balls literally made out of tiny little vessels, so the whole kidney is a bunch of upwired micro vessels, and PEMF therapy improves the flow of blood and urine in the kidneys, so it's easy to understand that we can expect the benefit from PEMF therapy. So yes, I'm convinced that PEMF is worthwhile, and I recommend it to everyone who can afford it and parallel to naturopathic treatments for preventative anti-aging therapies, smart aging, anti-aging therapies. I use it myself, and I also recommend it for patients who undergo chemotherapy to improve their detoxification and their microcirculation in the tissues. I believe it even speeds up and improves the outcome of regular oncology treatments. I would like to refer to a publication that I found already some years ago published in the medical journal called Cancer Medicine. It's a group of scientists from the University of Sheffield in the United Kingdom, the title is Mechanisms and Therapeutic Effectiveness of Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy in Oncology, and if you only read the abstract, you can learn from an independent group of scientists working in oncology that there are so many benefits from PEMF that it is a little bit of a surprise that it is not more known and more used, and I do my best to make it more known and available for patients because there are so many benefits from it.

Andy Smith 38:57 
Yeah. No, thank you for that. And that's, you know, part of the reason why this podcast exists is to raise awareness and have conversations like this. So it's so important. I'm asking you some really broad questions here, but they're incredibly answered. So I'm going to ask you another one, you know, with with pain and with fatigue and anything that comes along with diagnosis and chronic conditions. A lot of the time that takes a huge strain on the mental health of the patient. I know it myself. You know, luckily, I wasn't chronically sick for longer than about six months of my life. But I have been in that situation. And what I don't think I realized was a strain it was going to have on my mental health and how that really spiraled out of control. So it's just another aspect that, you know, can you use PEMP therapy? Can you use your other modalities, all these other things? Is it another thing that you have to be aware of at your clinic? And what do you do more for people's mental state during these times?

Dr Henning Saupe 39:56 
Well, now we could go through all holistic therapies that work on mitochondria detoxification, reduction of inflammation. And of course, we also would need to go into the realm of mind, body connection and unhealthy thoughts versus healthy affirmations and healthy thoughts. So read my book is my recommendation, holistic cancer medicine. And you already mentioned it to the audience. Um, a few words just to tag the main ideas of what I would do, uh, or what I, uh, what I do in for patients who, who complain, uh, about, uh, brain fog, uh, mood swings, or, or, or lack of concentration or, or depression. Um, so I do everything that enables better microcirculation of the brain. So here we are again, temp therapy does that, but I also offer these patients, um, hydrogen as another mitochondrial support agent. It's the smallest molecule in God's universe. H two and hydrogen, um, therapies, um, became quite popular the last years. I've, I've, I've seen, um, more and more, uh, publications and books even written, published about, uh, the advantages from hydrogen therapy. And I have a hydrogen inhalator behind me that I, I show my patients and, and, and use it myself in, in, in my lunch break, um, to stimulate the regeneration of my body through inhaling an energy molecule called hydrogen. It's tasteless. It has no smell. It is life-supporting side effects are not known. And you can, you can charge your body and your, the mitochondria, the power plants inside your body cells, uh, with hydrogen in two ways. You can produce hydrogen enriched water and drink it on their little devices available for maybe a couple of hundred pounds, um, that produce hydrogen enriched water, uh, within five minutes. And then you drink 300 milliliters of that and feel an energy boost. Uh, and you can do that many times a day. So it's serous side effects, direct stimulation of mitochondrial, um, production of ATP or recovery of, of, of impaired mitochondrial function. And you can do it more intensively through an inhalation of hydrogen gas. Um, and that, that fact you, or if to do that, you need a hydrogen inhalator. Um, there are many products on the market that, that, that you can choose between. Uh, and we have four hydrogen inhalators here for our patients. And they are asked to do that regularly about 45 to 60 minutes a day. You can either take a nap while you inhale it, or you can read a book or it just relax and listen to music. It's absolutely, um, comfortable to do it. And afterwards patients feel that they, they get a little more energy. And if you do that regular, really it's, it's something that really changes fatigue and concentration issues. Then I, I worked with food. I worked with anti-inflammatory food, depressed, depressed state of mind. Um, has on the biological side to do with inflammation in the brain. There's a lot of research done that, uh, vitamin D for instance, reduces inflammation in our brain and by that it improves on the, the, the quality of our concentration and even the quality of our mood. So it works a little bit anti-dep as an antidepressant vitamin D. Um, Uh, and then we do mental training and, and, uh, um, behavior based, uh, therapy or cognition based behavior therapy. That was the word I was looking for. Uh, so we change, we find the unhealthy beliefs and the inner conflicts and help our patient to change the thinking patterns from ruminating negative thoughts into affirming, uh, what they really want to achieve in their future. So affirmations, uh, mental training, um, and cognition based behavior therapy. Um, so those, those were, uh, maybe one more, uh, infrared laser, uh, or infrared light therapy, photo bio modulation therapy. Um, there are devices, uh, uh, available for photo bio modulation therapy. So what is that? Um, that is, uh, the, um, the treatment of our body, of our cells, of the energy production inside ourselves and our mitochondria with energy that comes from light, and there's a lot of research done that has found the right wavelengths that act, um, as an, uh, vitality support, vitality enhancement for our cells. And those are in typically in the near infrared, uh, uh, range. So around 800 to 900 nanometer. Um, and, uh, these wavelengths give energy to our cells, improve microcirculation by producing nitric nitric oxide. Nitric oxide is a guest that widens our blood vessels. So if, if our cells produce more nitric oxide, we widen the capillaries and we have better blood flow, better nutrition of our cells and a better detoxification. Um, and, and these near infrared waves also stimulate directly, uh, the mitochondria and some enzymes that, uh, act on ATP production and detoxification. So there are a lot of benefits from, uh, photo bio modulation therapy. So the ideal scenario of a, uh, pro vitality treatment, and you can call that smart aging therapy, or you can do that just to, to, um, prevent diseases or to feel better, you don't need to be aged. You can do that as, as, as somebody who just wants to live a optimal and active life. Uh, the perfect combination is hydrogen therapy. Best would be through inhalation. Second best would be through hydrogen rich water and PEMF and photo bio model modulation with near infrared light.

Andy Smith 46:39 
Mm-hmm, and we've seen that such a powerful combination. It's something that I talk about quite a lot in terms of stacking PEMF and red light therapy. It's such a powerful tool to put together and also easily done because you can have a PEMF mat and a red light kind of either.

Dr Henning Saupe 46:54 
Yeah, and then you add hydrogen. You put a nose piece into your nose and inhale about 600 to 800 milliliters of pure hydrogen a minute and then you have another synergy effect. So I believe this is the strongest combination of pro-vitality mitochondrial therapies that are available at the moment with zero side effects. PEMF photobiomodulation with red light and near infrared and some waves that are still in the visible part of the red spectrum but then also invisible near infrared and hydrogen. Those are my three favorites.

Andy Smith 47:35 
No, it's a really good point to make. You mentioned a study earlier and there's one study that shows how PEMF therapy really increases white blood cells within the body. Why would an increased white blood cell count be effective for somebody going through cancer?

Dr Henning Saupe 47:53 
Well, the white blood cells represent a very important part of our immune system. Our organs have their own immune system cells. So there are the von Kupferstern cells in the liver. There's diastroblea in our brain. So various organs have their very special immune cells, but the majority of immune cells in our body come from the bone marrow and we call them white blood cells, leukocytes. So, and all classic anti-cancer therapies in mainstream medicine like classic chemotherapy, but also radiation therapy and immunotherapy. Many of the TKI drugs, the thyrosine kinase inhibitors reduce the vitality of our bone marrow, which is production of white blood cells and platelets. So cancer patients are typically low in white blood cells and everything that helps them to rejuvenate their bone marrow function is welcome because we need white blood cells to live our life. And with no blood white blood cells, we would die from infections. And with no platelets, we would die from bleeding. So anything that can stimulate the basic vitality of our bone marrow and that results in a production of white blood cells and platelets is really welcome. And yes, PEMF therapy has the potential to do that. Sometimes more, sometimes less, but it's always worth trying. And in the majority of all cases, I've treated with PEMF therapy. I see that it works well, that there is a benefit, that the values improve.

Andy Smith 49:34 
Yeah, and come into the application side of things because Arcadia, you guys have got a higher intensity PEMF device and you've got lower intensity devices. Is there a time in which you apply one or the other or how do you kind of integrate those in?

Dr Henning Saupe 49:50 
The way we use them is that we offer the, I would call them medium power devices that are in the range of a few hundred to maybe 1,000 microtesla for an applicator and then an intensive applicator up to 10,000 microtesla. Let's call that the medium range, although 10,000 microtesla is already something that you can expect a good effect from. That is what our patients, after careful instruction, do when they have time between the treatments or in the evening time or early in the morning. So after an introduction on how to use the therapy device, they do it based on their own initiative and they're recommended to do it like two times 30 minutes a day. And then we have a high intensity device that goes up to many hundred thousand microtesla, I'm sorry, to some hundred millitesla or many hundred thousand microtesla. And that requires a therapist and that is what patients are booked for treatments. We use it three times a week and we treat them half an hour each session three times a week. And with this high power, high intensity device that has applicators in form of coils, we treat the area that worries us the most. So in other words, that area where the tumor is located, we want to reduce inflammation. We want to reduce stickiness of blood cells and stickiness of circulating tumor cells so that they do not adhere in lymph nodes or vessels or other organs. So we want to prevent metastases with that type of high intensity PEMF treatment. We want to reduce pain and we want to repair the aggressivity of cancer cells into the direction of a less and less aggressive behavior, which is mitochondrial therapy. The long-term goal would be to complete repair of the cancer cell. And I have to acknowledge that this is like a long-term goal that we still do not accomplish as many times as we want, but at least we can do something good with high intensity PEMF. Patients feel energized, vitalized. They feel that warmer after such a treatment and they feel a reduction of the pain. And it is difficult to say how much it contributes to the good results that we see at the end of the journey. But we cannot, because very obvious reasons treat the patient only with high intensity PEMF. We have to do many things at the same time. And that is why it is so difficult to say how much anti-cancer effect do we see from high intensity PEMF treatment. From what I read, for instance, in this article that I showed you from Sheffield University, where patients were treated with PEMF high intensity therapy as a standalone treatment because there was nothing else to offer. And the majority of the patient responded well with a stability of their disease when progression was expected. So I have to believe that there is some anti-cancer effect that I can expect from high intensity PEMF. But for me as a practitioner, it's impossible to exactly measure how big that anti-cancer effect is. But because of my 25 years of positive experience with PEMF and the literature, I made it an important pillar of our treatment approach with many, many modules. So it's one of the many things we do. We do infusion therapy, hypothermia, hydrogen therapy, red laser or red LED light therapy, photobiomodulation. And we do PEMF intensively. And the result of that is to get the disease under control in very many, many cases. I must be careful with what I say here because I'm not allowed to say something about treatment success. That's a German law that does not allow us doctors to speak openly about the success rate of our treatments. And so that's a legal no-go even in Germany. But for the listeners, if you want to read what patients have to say about their treatment experience here, go and look at the Google reviews where now talking about 80 or something like that, 80 reviews that were written about patients' treatment experiences. And it's what the patients wrote. We have nothing to do with that. And that is allowed if somebody wants to write a beautiful review on Google. Just go to Arcadia Praxis Clinic or Arcadia Clinic in Germany and look for the Google reviews and there you can read some testimonials. So yes, I know why I combine all these modalities, PEMF, one of them, because I love the synergy effect of these therapies. And I definitely don't want to miss, I do not want to miss the benefits of PEMF in my therapies.

Andy Smith 55:38 
No it's a good point you make is you know we sell wellness products as well and we're very hamstrung in terms of what we can say medical conditions and all this sort of thing so you know the best place to look is is from the customer's mouth and sells and and and review so yeah it's important. You guys are lucky enough to have all this equipment and the top end equipment at the clinic but is that the only time people should be using this equipment or all these different treatment.

Dr Henning Saupe 56:06 
No very good point. I literally recommend my patients to think it over if they have some funds left to invest in a PEMF machine for at-home treatment and if the diagnosis is a stage 3 or 4, so in other words with metastases, I would say there are many reasons why a lifelong therapy with PEMF therapy is what I would do and so it's something very easy to do at home alongside the healthy nutrition, the intake of naturopathic supplements, etc. healthy lifestyle changes, more physical activities, some detox procedures like infrared sauna is also on my list for what I recommend patients to have at their home. There are also red light devices that I recommend for continuous treatment with photobiomodulation. Hydrogen inhalation is on my list for home treatment and PEMF definitely, yes.

Andy Smith 57:18 
And from your experience you know everybody's probably different and there must be different protocols for everybody that walks through your door but giving a general brush towards everybody is is there like a general protocol that you recommend that everybody should be doing you know in in terms of any modalities or you know what's the what's the magic question.

Dr Henning Saupe 57:43 
should eat healthily. Everybody should take vitamin D during the dark period of the year because that's probably the number one deficient vitamin in the world. Everybody should strive for physical activity and have a good body mass index. So be slender and be physically active. And if you want to do more than that, I can only repeat it. A PEMF device, a hydrogen inhalator and a red light device is what I have at home to keep my vitality in a good shape and I can honestly I can recommend that to anyone.

Andy Smith 58:28 
So yeah, the one more question really before we wrap this up and I understand where people can find you or find the clinic, your book Holistic Cancer Medicine, which was published in two thousand and twenty two, I believe, and probably written a year or two before. Has anything changed in your mind since then?

Dr Henning Saupe 58:48 
Yes, a few things have changed. Hydrogen was not on the table when I wrote the book and the German publication was the original form. I wrote it in German. My mother language, my mother tongue came out in 2019. So then it took a year and a half to get the English translation. So the next edition will have a chapter on hydrogen medicine and photobiomodulation. So these two energy therapies are not mentioned in the current edition of my book. But in the second edition, I will probably come out somewhere next year. I will have an additional chapter on photobiomodulation therapy and hydrogen. Other than that, I would write the same book once again, or I will publish the second edition with everything that you find in the first edition plus the few things that I've just mentioned.

Andy Smith 59:52 
Amazing and you mentioned the inhalation of hydrogen, but I think you mentioned hydrogen water to yes earlier on is that a good alternative or would you say inhalation is much stronger.

Dr Henning Saupe 01:00:03 
Okay, inhalation is many times stronger. I don't have a number exactly how many times, but I would dare to say it's many times stronger than to drink a glass of hydrogen enriched water. If you calculate out the number of hydrogen that you literally can squeeze into 300 milliliters of water compared to the amount you can inhale, I have not calculated it out, but is it in the realm of 50 or 100 times more than what you can inhale in half an hour compared to what you can drink? So, and it goes in no time into your body because hydrogen is, as I said, it's the smallest molecule. It penetrates our vessels, our cell walls immediately. It goes where we need it. And yeah, so inhalation, if you have a medical issue, I would strongly recommend to look into hydrogen inhalator devices. And while that does not mean that you're not allowed to drink hydrogen enriched water, it's very convenient. You can have a battery driven device in your backpack when you go for a walk or in your car and you can enjoy it many times a day. It's very convenient, very easy and inexpensive. And an inhalator needs a wall plug and electricity. So you have that in your home, but I would say it's 20 or 50 times stronger. That says it all.

Andy Smith 01:01:32 
So, but for someone who isn't doing hydrogen inhalation, the water could be a good introduction and obviously better than the water.

Dr Henning Saupe 01:01:41 
a hydrogen-enriched water device and start using it and I read how much stronger the inhalation is and I've, I can honestly tell you that if I have some inflammatory symptoms, for instance, like early spring, I get some itching eyes from the pollen, I have a little bit of a pollen allergy, a seasonal allergy, half an hour, 40 minutes of hydrogen inhalation reduces my allergic symptoms from, let's say, 100 down to 10 or 20. So without the tiredness of an antihistamine pill, I can pop an antihistamine pill, but then I feel a little tired, I get a little dry mouth from the antihistamine drugs. I feel a little foggy. If I inhale half an hour hydrogen, I feel vitalized and my allergy symptoms go down. I have not had this strong antiallergy effect from drinking hydrogen-enriched water. So for me, it was very clear that the inhalation was much stronger.

Andy Smith 01:02:42 
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, no, thank you so much. We're going to put the link to your book under this episode. We'll put the link to any of the studies you've mentioned. If anybody wants to learn a bit more about you, Dr. Henning Saupe, or they want to know where the clinic is, they want to come and visit, they want to check themselves in, how can they do that? Where can they find you?

Dr Henning Saupe 01:03:02 
Yeah. Well, we're located right in the middle of Germany. The closest bigger city is called Castle and the closest international airport is Frankfurt International. And we have a shuttle taxi service. So we pick up our patients individually with our own taxi at Frankfurt International Airport and bring you door to door. We host our patients like in a four star hotel with room service and organic food and full board meals and laundry service and everything you expect from a treat you in the day clinic from morning to evening. We're free medical doctors. There's always a doctor on call in case you need a doctor. We're not a hospital. We're much smaller than a hospital. So let's call it a day clinic and a patient hotel in one building. And we have a website, of course, ArcadiaPraxisClinic.de and in-depth description of our therapies. In English and German patients who are interested to learn more about our services are welcome to contact our our secretaries, Tanya or Jenny, and they will guide the patient through the procedure how to get a consultation with me. We asked the patients to fill in a questionnaire so we know about the details of the patient's history. And we asked the patient to send us the last blood work and CT scan or MRI or PET scan report and a summary of their treatments. And then we start for patients who do not live in the vicinity, which is the majority of our patients that they don't live in the vicinity. They come from everywhere. We start with a video based consultation, typically half an hour to get to know each other and to describe what we would do. And then the patient gets a written treatment proposal and we welcome the patient to stay for typically three weeks. Two weeks is the minimum. Three weeks is the standard. And then we do follow-ups based on video consultations and we, we guide the patient through the period after the intensive treatment here, stay in touch with the patient, advise the patient to take maybe some repurposed drugs at home or some vitamins and minerals and naturopathic drugs and, and plan the next evaluation with CT scans and MRI and if necessary, the next stay at our, at our clinic.

Andy Smith 01:05:39 
Amazing. And when I came to visit you, Dr. Henning, I stayed in a converted castle, I believe, was it Castle Slosh, or?

Dr Henning Saupe 01:05:46 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy Smith 01:05:47 
Yeah, so is that somewhere where family members can go?

Dr Henning Saupe 01:05:49 
Yeah, there are many, many spots of him. In the vicinity. So Castle is a nice city with a beautiful castle and there's a Schloss Hotel, Schloss is Castle in Germany. And there's a famous castle in the city of Castle. Castle is actually a variation of the word Kastle. It's a German spelling with a K but it goes back to the Latin word for Castel Castle. Yes, there are some nice places to visit as a tourist and that's what our patients do during the weekends. If they want they can look around and visit museums or German castles.

Andy Smith 01:06:32 
Okay, so for our listeners, whatever platform you're listening, please leave a five-star review. It just allows us to get more amazing guests like Dr. Henning Saupe and share some time spreading the news about PEMF therapy and how it can help so many people. So thank you so much for your time again today.

Dr Henning Saupe 01:06:48 
Thank you very much, Andy. It was a pleasure.